Ultra Street Fighter IV

[The Notic]

Noooooooo akuma did not die. i showed proof. where in the game did it say that akuma died?

its not like capcom made generations... in which they didnt. nor any of the other movies for that matter.

ryu has no brother. shun, sadler, that particular android was all made up by the artist who drew the cartoon. they were not made by capcom.

how come almost every movie, it shows the heroes always meeting up for the first time?

Wikipedia is right, if you played the game, akuma did die, witch doesn't really matter becouse it's not canon, and the story for the movies are made by Capcom and they are canon! Capcom was completley involved in SF Alpha and Alpha Generations! I mean come on now, it says, "Planned and Produced by CAPCOM" right at the begining of the movie! 

[shinra358]

Noooooooo akuma did not die. i showed proof. where in the game did it say that akuma died?

its not like capcom made generations... in which they didnt. nor any of the other movies for that matter.

ryu has no brother. shun, sadler, that particular android was all made up by the artist who drew the cartoon. they were not made by capcom.

how come almost every movie, it shows the heroes always meeting up for the first time?

Wikipedia is right, if you played the game, akuma did die, witch doesn't really matter becouse it's not canon, and the story for the movies are made by Capcom and they are canon! Capcom was completley involved in SF Alpha and Alpha Generations! I mean come on now, it says, "Planned and Produced by CAPCOM" right at the begining of the movie! 

like they say on attack of the show.....EPPPPIIIIIIIIIC FAAAAAAAAAIIIIL! So many things wrong with what you just said. if the animes were so cannon, they wouldnt have just met each other for the first time in each one. if they were cannon they wouldnt have introduced themselves to each if they already knew each other. thats proof alone without even looking at anything else. and about the wiki.......like i said, show me a place in the actual game that says that. until then......nooooooooooooooooooooooo. i even posted a snippet right from the wiki about kairi. and you saw what it said didntcha? capcom was also involved with the sf real movie and you saw how that came out didntcha?............


..........FLAWLESS VICTORY. I WIN

[The Notic]

Noooooooo akuma did not die. i showed proof. where in the game did it say that akuma died?

its not like capcom made generations... in which they didnt. nor any of the other movies for that matter.

ryu has no brother. shun, sadler, that particular android was all made up by the artist who drew the cartoon. they were not made by capcom.

how come almost every movie, it shows the heroes always meeting up for the first time?

Wikipedia is right, if you played the game, akuma did die, witch doesn't really matter becouse it's not canon, and the story for the movies are made by Capcom and they are canon! Capcom was completley involved in SF Alpha and Alpha Generations! I mean come on now, it says, "Planned and Produced by CAPCOM" right at the begining of the movie! 

like they say on attack of the show.....EPPPPIIIIIIIIIC FAAAAAAAAAIIIIL! So many things wrong with what you just said. if the animes were so cannon, they wouldnt have just met each other for the first time in each one. if they were cannon they wouldnt have introduced themselves to each if they already knew each other. thats proof alone without even looking at anything else. and about the wiki.......like i said, show me a place in the actual game that says that. until then......nooooooooooooooooooooooo. i even posted a snippet right from the wiki about kairi. and you saw what it said didntcha? capcom was also involved with the sf real movie and you saw how that came out didntcha?............


..........FLAWLESS VICTORY. I WIN

WTF, see I hate people like you, that argue the actual facts, who am I gonna believe, you or CAPCOM... uuh, I think CAPCOM! The movies are Canon, what doesnt make them canon? Just becouse they meet each other for the first time... even though that isnt true, in Alpha, they allready know each other, in generations, it was the same thing, they just meet up again, there's a diffrence in seeing someone in a long time, witch is what happens, and seeing someone for this first time, witch you oubviously have confused!

[shinra358]

you can hate all ya want. what does that tell about you getting angry over something like this. youre 15 years old. i have been playing sf and admiring the arts for as far as you can even remember. ever since you were suckin on ya passy. i dont have to prove anything to YOU. what doesnt make the movies cannon? well lets see:

-oh they been knew each other but they say there full name each time? wooooow.

-where is dr. sadler in the game?

-balrog is a good guy? c'mon man get serious

-deejay is a bad guy? c'mon now get serious

-blanka is charlie? c'mon man get serious

-akuma "killed" bison. the first cartoon movie depicted ryu and ken defeating him ....c'mon man get serious

-birdie fights alongside the good guys? c'mon man get serious

-they didnt just meet up again dude. at the beginning of alpha...chunli looks at ryu and says "who is that guy dodging bullets like" that cuz ryu was dodging bullets. in the animated movie (first one), chun li is telling the army guys about ryu searching for him and trying to find out who he is. c'mon now, get serious. this all shows that the different artists are telling a story of sf from there mind and not from what actually the game says. of course the capcom label is on it cuz it is capcoms characters...cmon man get serious.

-you arent even stating actual facts. youre saying one thing but you provide proof of nothing. ive given many true things to back up what i speak. tsk tsk tsk.

-and again i think chunli introduces herself to ryu AGAIN like she dont know him if i remember correctly. dont really care about alpha generations anyway cuz it sucked.

-soooooo...................i'm awaiting your return.........warrior....


and before you say "the wiki said he killed akuma" keep in mind.....it said the exact opposite last week. if its so true, show me where it said that from capcom.

look at the wiki yourself: tell me why the wiki's depict things different than the others. especially with akuma, kairi, and garuda. reliable huh? riiiiiight
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_EX/Characters/Kairi

this one even said that garuda beat the crap outta akuma to his near death:

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_EX/Characters/Akuma

C'mon now...tsk tsk tsk

[daniel13789]

you can hate all ya want. what does that tell about you getting angry over something like this. youre 15 years old. i have been playing sf and admiring the arts for as far as you can even remember. ever since you were suckin on ya passy. i dont have to prove anything to YOU. what doesnt make the movies cannon? well lets see:

-oh they been knew each other but they say there full name each time? wooooow.

-where is dr. sadler in the game?

-balrog is a good guy? c'mon man get serious

-deejay is a bad guy? c'mon now get serious

-blanka is charlie? c'mon man get serious

-akuma "killed" bison. the first cartoon movie depicted ryu and ken defeating him ....c'mon man get serious

-birdie fights alongside the good guys? c'mon man get serious

-they didnt just meet up again dude. at the beginning of alpha...chunli looks at ryu and says "who is that guy dodging bullets like" that cuz ryu was dodging bullets. in the animated movie (first one), chun li is telling the army guys about ryu searching for him and trying to find out who he is. c'mon now, get serious. this all shows that the different artists are telling a story of sf from there mind and not from what actually the game says. of course the capcom label is on it cuz it is capcoms characters...cmon man get serious.

-you arent even stating actual facts. youre saying one thing but you provide proof of nothing. ive given many true things to back up what i speak. tsk tsk tsk.

-and again i think chunli introduces herself to ryu AGAIN like she dont know him if i remember correctly. dont really care about alpha generations anyway cuz it sucked.

-soooooo...................i'm awaiting your return.........warrior....


and before you say "the wiki said he killed akuma" keep in mind.....it said the exact opposite last week. if its so true, show me where it said that from capcom[/color]

dude. most of the stuff in wikipedia are lies. wikipedia is the absolute LAST place you want to trust

[The Notic]

You're a joke, now I clearly see that, I didn't even bother reading that sh*t, becouse just by the looks of it, you don't know what you are talking about! How are you gonna say it's not canon when the damn makers of the game/story say it is canon themselfs... *sigh*

You simply  PHail, I'ma just leave it at that!

[shinra358]

would you like me to get you a pacifier? i know you dont wanna look cuz you cant stand not to have things your way. wait a sec, why am i arguing with an infant?  i must be bored. well time for some shadowhearts.

you can hate all ya want. what does that tell about you getting angry over something like this. youre 15 years old. i have been playing sf and admiring the arts for as far as you can even remember. ever since you were suckin on ya passy. i dont have to prove anything to YOU. what doesnt make the movies cannon? well lets see:

-oh they been knew each other but they say there full name each time? wooooow.

-where is dr. sadler in the game?

-balrog is a good guy? c'mon man get serious

-deejay is a bad guy? c'mon now get serious

-blanka is charlie? c'mon man get serious

-akuma "killed" bison. the first cartoon movie depicted ryu and ken defeating him ....c'mon man get serious

-birdie fights alongside the good guys? c'mon man get serious

-they didnt just meet up again dude. at the beginning of alpha...chunli looks at ryu and says "who is that guy dodging bullets like" that cuz ryu was dodging bullets. in the animated movie (first one), chun li is telling the army guys about ryu searching for him and trying to find out who he is. c'mon now, get serious. this all shows that the different artists are telling a story of sf from there mind and not from what actually the game says. of course the capcom label is on it cuz it is capcoms characters...cmon man get serious.

-you arent even stating actual facts. youre saying one thing but you provide proof of nothing. ive given many true things to back up what i speak. tsk tsk tsk.

-and again i think chunli introduces herself to ryu AGAIN like she dont know him if i remember correctly. dont really care about alpha generations anyway cuz it sucked.

-soooooo...................i'm awaiting your return.........warrior....


and before you say "the wiki said he killed akuma" keep in mind.....it said the exact opposite last week. if its so true, show me where it said that from capcom[/color]

dude. most of the stuff in wikipedia are lies. wikipedia is the absolute LAST place you want to trust

exactly my point im trying to make to Daigo.

[.:K.I.N.G:.]

@Kid Daigo ...clam down dude you are taking this way too seriously..
@shinra358
dude they mostly don't kill the characters in their own endings (ingame) and also you don't get to see the extended stories in the game itself...if they never said akuma was dead in game dosen't make him alive either....so you need proof to show that he was alive...enough proof he was killed in ex that kairi returned as a dark hadou over powered shoto after his match with akuma in sfex and akuma didn't return...now where did he get that power from?
it's simply what makes sense better if he fought with akuma, killed him and took his power in ex leading to the unleashed secret boss shin white haired kairi in sf ex2...the secret boss thing was akuma's place after all...it's self explaining really..
also explains why garuda is still present in sfex cus he is an imortal (being) entity.

also the whole point i the alpha gen movie was to show akuma being ryu's dad nothing more cus it never really evolved or added anything new to the sf story but this.
these movies gets approved by capcom in the story part so yeah they know how the stories will conflict in the end.

[The Notic]

I don't trsut Wikipedia THAT much, I go based off the games and movies!

[shinra358]

@Kid Daigo ...clam down dude you are taking this way too seriously..
@shinra358
dude they mostly don't kill the characters in their own endings (ingame) and also you don't get to see the extended stories in the game itself...if they never said akuma was dead in game dosen't make him alive either....so you need proof to show that he was alive...enough proof he was killed in ex that kairi returned as a dark hadou over powered shoto after his match with akuma in sfex and akuma didn't return...now where did he get that power from?
it's simply what makes sense better if he fought with akuma, killed him and took his power in ex leading to the unleashed secret boss shin white haired kairi in sf ex2...the secret boss thing was akuma's place after all...it's self explaining really..
also explains why garuda is still present in sfex cus he is an imortal (being) entity.

also the whole point i the alpha gen movie was to show akuma being ryu's dad nothing more cus it never really evolved or added anything new to the sf story but this.
these movies gets approved by capcom in the story part so yeah they know how the stories will conflict in the end.

what u just said: "so you need proof to show that he was alive"... i could say the same method and say: "so you need proof to show that he was killed".

he got the power the same way ryu got his. except for he submitted to that dark power. ryu didnt. the "wiki" even said that while in the midst of battle he at one point envisioned that other char as he awoke and thats when that big burst of energy came out that weakened akuma. it also said that akuma stood back in the shadows until garuda could be taken care of. cuz akuma came into a battle with garuda and he was too much to handle for akuma. garuda is all the killed souls from that raging demon move merged together into a power foul more powerful than akuma himself. so, that is "proof" enough for me. that way makes more "sense" to me. allen snyder wasnt in ex 3. doesnt mean he died. he even showed up in another game afterward. shoot, rainbow mika isnt in sf4. but that dont mean she's dead . capcom would never kill off such an important char "cannon or not" in a sidequest franchise to begin with.

I don't trsut Wikipedia THAT much, I go based off the games and movies!

but you just used it as one of your proof methods and was the main attraction to trying to make your  point!

[.:K.I.N.G:.]

@Kid Daigo ...clam down dude you are taking this way too seriously..
@shinra358
dude they mostly don't kill the characters in their own endings (ingame) and also you don't get to see the extended stories in the game itself...if they never said akuma was dead in game dosen't make him alive either....so you need proof to show that he was alive...enough proof he was killed in ex that kairi returned as a dark hadou over powered shoto after his match with akuma in sfex and akuma didn't return...now where did he get that power from?
it's simply what makes sense better if he fought with akuma, killed him and took his power in ex leading to the unleashed secret boss shin white haired kairi in sf ex2...the secret boss thing was akuma's place after all...it's self explaining really..
also explains why garuda is still present in sfex cus he is an imortal (being) entity.

also the whole point i the alpha gen movie was to show akuma being ryu's dad nothing more cus it never really evolved or added anything new to the sf story but this.
these movies gets approved by capcom in the story part so yeah they know how the stories will conflict in the end.

what u just said: "so you need proof to show that he was alive"... i could say the same method and say: "so you need proof to show that he was killed".

he got the power the same way ryu got his. except for he submitted to that dark power. ryu didnt. the "wiki" even said that while in the midst of battle he at one point envisioned that other char as he awoke and thats when that big burst of energy came out that weakened akuma. it also said that akuma stood back in the shadows until garuda could be taken care of. cuz akuma came into a battle with garuda and he was too much to handle for akuma. garuda is all the killed souls from that raging demon move merged together into a power foul more powerful than akuma himself. so, that is "proof" enough for me. that way makes more "sense" to me. allen snyder wasnt in ex 3. doesnt mean he died. he even showed up in another game afterward. shoot, rainbow mika isnt in sf4. but that dont mean she's dead . capcom would never kill off such an important char "cannon or not" in a sidequest franchise to begin with.

I don't trsut Wikipedia THAT much, I go based off the games and movies!

but you just used it as one of your proof methods and was the main attraction to trying to make your  point!

the whole akuma hiding from garuda thing isn't just akuma...he wouldn't hide to avoid garuda or any other character....it's not how the akuma personality works...ryu never really got the power as an of the dark hadou evil character in the story cus he never gave into the dark hadou..evil ryu is an extra character...still if ryu got that power in him it's cus of the akuma blood for being his father and and all which explains why ken isn't consumed by the dark hadou and never was even threatened by it...the dark hadou is an akuma ryu thing..so you see if kairi gets it then it has to be akuma related and since kairi isn't akuma's son then he can't get this power unless he takes it from akuma himself just like how it happened with rugal and akuma when they became one..they became satsu no hadou rugal not orochi akuma.

[Violent Ken Masters]

@Kid Daigo ...clam down dude you are taking this way too seriously..
@shinra358
dude they mostly don't kill the characters in their own endings (ingame) and also you don't get to see the extended stories in the game itself...if they never said akuma was dead in game dosen't make him alive either....so you need proof to show that he was alive...enough proof he was killed in ex that kairi returned as a dark hadou over powered shoto after his match with akuma in sfex and akuma didn't return...now where did he get that power from?
it's simply what makes sense better if he fought with akuma, killed him and took his power in ex leading to the unleashed secret boss shin white haired kairi in sf ex2...the secret boss thing was akuma's place after all...it's self explaining really..
also explains why garuda is still present in sfex cus he is an imortal (being) entity.

also the whole point i the alpha gen movie was to show akuma being ryu's dad nothing more cus it never really evolved or added anything new to the sf story but this.
these movies gets approved by capcom in the story part so yeah they know how the stories will conflict in the end.

what u just said: "so you need proof to show that he was alive"... i could say the same method and say: "so you need proof to show that he was killed".

he got the power the same way ryu got his. except for he submitted to that dark power. ryu didnt. the "wiki" even said that while in the midst of battle he at one point envisioned that other char as he awoke and thats when that big burst of energy came out that weakened akuma. it also said that akuma stood back in the shadows until garuda could be taken care of. cuz akuma came into a battle with garuda and he was too much to handle for akuma. garuda is all the killed souls from that raging demon move merged together into a power foul more powerful than akuma himself. so, that is "proof" enough for me. that way makes more "sense" to me. allen snyder wasnt in ex 3. doesnt mean he died. he even showed up in another game afterward. shoot, rainbow mika isnt in sf4. but that dont mean she's dead . capcom would never kill off such an important char "cannon or not" in a sidequest franchise to begin with.

I don't trsut Wikipedia THAT much, I go based off the games and movies!

but you just used it as one of your proof methods and was the main attraction to trying to make your  point!

the whole akuma hiding from garuda thing isn't just akuma...he wouldn't hide to avoid garuda or any other character....it's not how the akuma personality works...ryu never really got the power as an of the dark hadou evil character in the story cus he never gave into the dark hadou..evil ryu is an extra character...still if ryu got that power in him it's cus of the akuma blood for being his father and and all which explains why ken isn't consumed by the dark hadou and never was even threatened by it...the dark hadou is an akuma ryu thing..so you see if kairi gets it then it has to be akuma related and since kairi isn't akuma's son then he can't get this power unless he takes it from akuma himself just like how it happened with rugal and akuma when they became one..they became satsu no hadou rugal not orochi akuma.

Actually the official forum of SF4, stated Akuma is not Ryu's father, and Ryu's last name is not Hoshi.

According to udon's SFA manga, Ryu got his power from wanting revenge on Akuma for killing Gouken.

[juelz aka wolfi]

orite lads keep up the gud work on informin us on whos who im interested in what y'all have to say

[shinra358]

and the whole dark hadou thing is like the bad sheep in the fighting style. Just like the "dark side of the force" in star wars. A part of the art style that you should not tap into....


and ryu did use the evil ryu cannonly. he just fought against it to get rid of it instead of embrace it.

[Violent Ken Masters]

and the whole dark hadou thing is like the bad sheep in the fighting style. Just like the "dark side of the force" in star wars. A part of the art style that you should not tap into....


and ryu did use the evil ryu cannonly. he just fought against it to get rid of it instead of embrace it.

Originally the fighting style was made for wars, people using that fighting style could have conquered countries, Goutetsu however transformed it into a fighting style, although he couldn't get it to where the dark hadou couldn't exist, so the dark hadou is the full version of the fighting style, the non-dark is a handicap to make it purely a form of martial arts.

Gouki went against Goutetsu's teachings and decided to use the full extent of that fighting style.

[Tenspeed]

so what does any of this have to do with street fighter 4?

[[Asian-Jesus]]

so what does any of this have to do with street fighter 4?

Nothing actually.

It all started with the anime trailer for SF4. Then everyone started talking about Gouken. I mention that he was hinted at by SF4's producer as being put in as fan-service, yet no one listened and kept going on about the Street Fighter universe. It's all good though. Whatever keeps this topic going until it's released in arcades in Japan is fine by me. 

[Tenspeed]

so some who will probably be added as a console only bonus character is starting all of this?

fantastic.

[shinra358]

so what does any of this have to do with street fighter 4?

discussion of storyline

[Gaijin]

ex characters have absolutely nothing to do with the original storyline of street fighter. its a game made by akira and the story lines of every character in those games is not canon whatsoever. however in the ex days kairi did kill akuma but since ex games are not canon it never really happened. enough with the kairi stuff plz because he isnt even a peace nor a part of the street firghter story whatsoever. akuma is ryu's father yes i said it because it is completely true. like said earlier it was hinted and in alpha generations it made more obvious and easily seen. and shun is ryu's long lost brother and he never said he used ryu to get in the tournament. i have the movie right now and nowhere does he say that. the baby the woman had in generations was ryu and since his father akuma went mad gouken took ryu in and trained him along with ken was older of course....and blah blah blah u know the rest. and btw i dont mean anything i said in an offensive way.

[shinra358]

Umm follow your own so called advice cuz we been stop talking about it. youre late. pay attention and stop repeating the same things that have been said multiple times already.

[DrZaius]

The debate on Street Fighter canon is always funny because no one ever gets it 100% right yet everyone thinks they're 100% right.  I just stick with Tiamat's Street Fighter Plot Guide over at gamefaqs.com.

If you want to check it out, go to gamefaqs, perform a search for Street Fighter, look for the arcade version of Street Fighter under Best Matches and click on where it says FAQs, and then click on Street Fighter Plot Guide.  I'd save the file if I were you.  Tiamat uses only official sources:  the games themselves, quotes straight out of Capcom of Japan, and official written sources from Capcom (usually in Japanese).  Tiamat justifies leaving out certain sources (such as the movies and the EX series) because they usually contradict what's in the official sources mentioned above.

In regards to Street Fighter 4... I still say it looks and plays more like Street Fighter EX 4 and will probably be just as canon.   

[Violent Ken Masters]

Just read this.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/626401/Street_Fighter_4_FAQ__READ_FIRST

This is from Capcom's own forum, so that link tells what is canon and isn't, and from what I'm seeing, SF4 is very canon, and what sets it apart from the EX series is, it's actually made by Capcom.

[shinra358]

thats not accurate . they dont even have systems and home chars listed...

[The Notic]

Just read this.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/626401/Street_Fighter_4_FAQ__READ_FIRST

This is from Capcom's own forum, so that link tells what is canon and isn't, and from what I'm seeing, SF4 is very canon, and what sets it apart from the EX series is, it's actually made by Capcom.

OMG, thank you, finally someone talks with some sense! I just can't stand people that take it upon them selves to decide what's canon and what isn't, wait, scratch that, I can't stand people who decide for them selves what's canon and then give it off as facts on forums!