Ultra Street Fighter IV

[shinra358]

tell me where it said that he was dead for sure. when and where was the funeral and the body afterward??? Akuma wasnt killed in sf ex. the wiki said that but the wiki is wrong. it wasnt even implicated in anything BUT the wiki. The garuda didnt form cuz of akumas death. garuda formed from the intense power of evil from the fight.

in mortal kombat, nowhere in the game said that johnny cage died. sure it said that in movies and books but never did it say that in the game.

thought to have been dead and dead are 2 different things. of course they gonna say dead cuz thats what gouken wanted everyone to think while he vanished to re coop and to test his students.

[.:K.I.N.G:.]

Akuma wasnt killed in sf ex. the wiki said that but the wiki is wrong. it wasnt even implicated in anything BUT the wiki. The garuda didnt form cuz of akumas death. garuda formed from the intense power of evil from the fight.

in mortal kombat, nowhere in the game said that johnny cage died. sure it said that in movies and books but never did it say that in the game.

thought to have been dead and dead are 2 different things. of course they gonna say dead cuz thats what gouken wanted everyone to think while he vanished to re coop and to test his students.

usually the ingame stories are week so you wont find these infos in game.
akuma was removed from ex2 and kairi turned after ex so it makes sense.

take tekken for example..after tekken 2 bruce and beak were removed and never was anything about them in game
but the stories you get that they were dead for some reason then they both returned in tekken 5 just like that.
usually fighting games mess with characters stories very much.

i read that ryu is called ryu hoshi for some reason...and again it wasn't confirmed where did the hoshi part came from.
in the movie sf alpha generation it was stated clearly that gouki was ryu's father...which makes more sense actually
also in the sf alpha movie when that kid shaun told ryu he was his brother and ryu didn't believe it he hinted that his father was gouki as well which explains the dark hadou in both of them.

the point is no one really dies cus eventually ppl will want some characters back....

[shinra358]

Kairi:

He came across a fighter by the name of Akuma and the two had a duel. Kairi was badly scarred, lost his left eye, and was on the verge of death. Akuma was about to finish him off with the Shun Goku Satsu until Kairi retaliated with a burst of pure power that was almost impossible for him to control, the positive version of Akuma's Satsui No Hadou. Since Akuma was still looking for the fighter who could stand against him, he gave an evil smile and said "You will soon be a fighter worthy of a real death match." After the bout, the battle had left Kairi with the loss of more than his eye. His own memory had perished as well. Not knowing of his own newfound power as well as his loss of memory, the only thing he knew of was his ability to fight.


Akuma is also not ryu's father. Shun said clearly at the end that he posed as his brother in order to get in the tournament to win cash for his sick mother. ryu asked akuma cuz he thought that he may have been his father cuz of what shun said. akuma clearly said he had no one. alpha generations....nothing was clear. just much confusion.

chunli wasnt in sf3 at first but that didnt mean she died... just cuz a char is not in the game doesnt mean they are dead. they try to invite new personalities into the game. maybe they didnt want to fight in the tourney. doesnt mean they deceased.

[.:K.I.N.G:.]

Kairi:

He came across a fighter by the name of Akuma and the two had a duel. Kairi was badly scarred, lost his left eye, and was on the verge of death. Akuma was about to finish him off with the Shun Goku Satsu until Kairi retaliated with a burst of pure power that was almost impossible for him to control, the positive version of Akuma's Satsui No Hadou. Since Akuma was still looking for the fighter who could stand against him, he gave an evil smile and said "You will soon be a fighter worthy of a real death match." After the bout, the battle had left Kairi with the loss of more than his eye. His own memory had perished as well. Not knowing of his own newfound power as well as his loss of memory, the only thing he knew of was his ability to fight.


Akuma is also not ryu's father. Shun said clearly at the end that he posed as his brother in order to get in the tournament to win cash for his sick mother. ryu asked akuma cuz he thought that he may have been his father cuz of what shun said. akuma clearly said he had no one. alpha generations....nothing was clear. just much confusion.

chunli wasnt in sf3 at first but that didnt mean she died... just cuz a char is not in the game doesnt mean they are dead. they try to invite new personalities into the game. maybe they didnt want to fight in the tourney. doesnt mean they deceased.

the alpha gen ryu showed that akuma was ryu's father...i mean it was clear enough.
it dosen't have to be literally like "i'm your father"..
it's really obvious...even before the alpha generation movie i knew eventually akuma will be revealed as ryu's father.
you see the way how this works is very predictable.

taken from wiki.
The 1999 original video animation Street Fighter Alpha: The Movie centers around Ryu's inner conflict with the Dark Hadou, as seen in the Street Fighter Alpha manga and games. The 2005 OVA Street Fighter Alpha: Generations features a similar storyline, but is unrelated to the previous Alpha anime. The story of Generations establishes Akuma (or Gouki, as he retains his Japanese name in the English dub) as Ryu's father.

as for shaun..i don't remember that part about his sick mother...i know that he had a dark hadou and he was over powered for a child he also he spoke about his father's character if i remember right....did he say that he wasn't his brother?

you know some one like charlie is known to be so much dead and the sf van dame movie messed that up a bit hinting that he was blanka or something...but i bet you that charlie will eventually brought back in a sf sequel.

this is how it is they come up with a story to keep the character alive...in easy example is kazuya

[shinra358]

well we all know that the movies dont depict the games perfectly since it is one artists view of the whole sf situation. when ryu blasted shun out of the cyborgs stomach he told ryu why. why did he still help him even though ryu knew he was full of it. he didnt say it that way but thats what it meant. and then shun died. they depicted charlie as blanka becuz of the early rumors during when sf2 reigned. that thought that the ending said charlie but it actually said jimmy. also in the movie, balrog and deejay's roles were switched. deejay was a bad guy and balrog was a good guy. as for charlie, they could dig back in the mvc series a lil and say that bison captured him after his so called death and injected some psycho power into him. thus giving him the abilities of the shadowloo special agent or shadow. they did it this way in the udon comics but bison kept it in the dark from guile to fuel his reckless anger. eventually charlie broke the hold walking out with his abilities AND the new abilities of Shadow. he also does this with chunli's father but chun li still doesnt know if her father is dead or not... so yeah, if charlie comes back thats the way they prolly gunna do it...

[.:K.I.N.G:.]

well we all know that the movies dont depict the games perfectly since it is one artists view of the whole sf situation. when ryu blasted shun out of the cyborgs stomach he told ryu why. why did he still help him even though ryu knew he was full of it. he didnt say it that way but thats what it meant. and then shun died. they depicted charlie as blanka becuz of the early rumors during when sf2 reigned. that thought that the ending said charlie but it actually said jimmy. also in the movie, balrog and deejay's roles were switched. deejay was a bad guy and balrog was a good guy. as for charlie, they could dig back in the mvc series a lil and say that bison captured him after his so called death and injected some psycho power into him. thus giving him the abilities of the shadowloo special agent or shadow. they did it this way in the udon comics but bison kept it in the dark from guile to fuel his reckless anger. eventually charlie broke the hold walking out with his abilities AND the new abilities of Shadow. he also does this with chunli's father but chun li still doesnt know if her father is dead or not... so yeah, if charlie comes back thats the way they prolly gunna do it...

the first shadow appearance was in mvc so they made up the story right there just to put in an over powered charlie in the game but yeah it will work it's way to get charlie back and maybe after that they will make him turn to normal again....it's really not a bad thing...i mean if they killed sagat or guile it will suck so they should always leave room for comeback even if they make up new stories that mess up the old stories.
i mean seriously if they kill bryan fury in tekken i will probably not buy the game....i also heard the armor king was brought back due to heavy fan demand and of course they did it with a stupid resurrection story cus he was sick even before craig killed him so there was no way to bring hi back unless they had some king of a Resurrection experiment...maybe even master gen will return in a sf sequel...who knows

[shinra358]

as for gen, i hope so. they could say that he had found a cure for his disease... or knew gouken and both had a plot to come back for a time when a greater evil is about to be born as in some sort of proficy or something.... eventually they need to bring em all back. i mean they can do that with king cuz nowhere in the game that said king or armor king died. (they are 2 different ppl ya know). brian cant die. he is like mondo or something ... some kind of cybor or insane vigilante with the mind over matter concept. in mvc, apocalypse turned some of the warriors into the 4 horsemen. chunli, charlie, zangief, and i forgot the other person that had a mech/dark form. but in the udon comics it said that bison gave charlie some psycho power much like violent ken so that he could be a deadly asset to the shadowloo team. (part of his new 4 warrior ultimate team. sagat is not on the bad side anymore i will come to believe. he is much like ken is to ryu now.

[Tundra]

What about Ex characters? shouldnt they be apart of this, such as Allen Snider, D.Dark, and Garuda? Leaving out past characters like that sounds very suckish. Also sf3 chars too! Young fighters like yang, yun, makato, elena, and sean need more exposure and plus some kind of hiden power or secrets to jazz up each character.

[shinra358]

sfex series was like another cross over game. those chars have there own fighting games or games in general. those werent capcom's chars. aka capcom vs akira....

[Violent Ken Masters]

well we all know that the movies dont depict the games perfectly since it is one artists view of the whole sf situation. when ryu blasted shun out of the cyborgs stomach he told ryu why. why did he still help him even though ryu knew he was full of it. he didnt say it that way but thats what it meant. and then shun died. they depicted charlie as blanka becuz of the early rumors during when sf2 reigned. that thought that the ending said charlie but it actually said jimmy. also in the movie, balrog and deejay's roles were switched. deejay was a bad guy and balrog was a good guy. as for charlie, they could dig back in the mvc series a lil and say that bison captured him after his so called death and injected some psycho power into him. thus giving him the abilities of the shadowloo special agent or shadow. they did it this way in the udon comics but bison kept it in the dark from guile to fuel his reckless anger. eventually charlie broke the hold walking out with his abilities AND the new abilities of Shadow. he also does this with chunli's father but chun li still doesnt know if her father is dead or not... so yeah, if charlie comes back thats the way they prolly gunna do it...

the first shadow appearance was in mvc so they made up the story right there just to put in an over powered charlie in the game but yeah it will work it's way to get charlie back and maybe after that they will make him turn to normal again....it's really not a bad thing...i mean if they killed sagat or guile it will suck so they should always leave room for comeback even if they make up new stories that mess up the old stories.
i mean seriously if they kill bryan fury in tekken i will probably not buy the game....i also heard the armor king was brought back due to heavy fan demand and of course they did it with a stupid resurrection story cus he was sick even before craig killed him so there was no way to bring hi back unless they had some king of a Resurrection experiment...maybe even master gen will return in a sf sequel...who knows

I'm glad when they brought back Armored King. IMO they just got rid of all the good T2 characters when they made T3.
 
Martial Law, Michelle, and Jun never needed any replacements. Which ticks me off because they brought back martial, but kept Julia and Asuka. I really don't care about Juli and Asuka, I hope they get killed mercilessly somehow. I just want all the t2 characters in a sequel, none of this replacement crap. Michelle was my 2nd fav char next to kazuya, and of course I was pissed when they got taken out in T3.

[shinra358]

what ever happened to the wolf possessed chick that was fought at the end of tekken tag ? so many things unaccounted for. r.mika and karen in sf4 = definite get!!!

what the heck, may as well bring back gotetsu too . and ibuki's father. cuz ibuki's father "geki" was in sf3 (1/2) in the background of her stage when you win/lose the match. while they at it, they need to bring back the rest of the sf1 chars.

[Violent Ken Masters]

what ever happened to the wolf possessed chick that was fought at the end of tekken tag ? so many things unaccounted for. r.mika and karen in sf4 = definite get!!!

what the heck, may as well bring back gotetsu too .

Tekken Tag wasn't canon, none of that ever happened.

Jin and Kazuya didn't meet eachother face to face until the events of Tekken 4.

[Tundra]

sfex series was like another cross over game. those chars have there own fighting games or games in general. those werent capcom's chars. aka capcom vs akira....

Just because arika helped in the production doesnt mean those new characters were from different games. They were ideas from capcom and plus arika comes into play as fro the production of a 3d based game not supplying characters. They later on appeared in the game Fighting Layer without capcom.

[shinra358]

what ever happened to the wolf possessed chick that was fought at the end of tekken tag ? so many things unaccounted for. r.mika and karen in sf4 = definite get!!!

what the heck, may as well bring back gotetsu too .

Tekken Tag wasn't canon, none of that ever happened.

Jin and Kazuya didn't meet eachother face to face until the events of Tekken 4.

why not? i dont see how it couldnt have been.

[Tundra]

what ever happened to the wolf possessed chick that was fought at the end of tekken tag ? so many things unaccounted for. r.mika and karen in sf4 = definite get!!!

what the heck, may as well bring back gotetsu too .

Tekken Tag wasn't canon, none of that ever happened.

Jin and Kazuya didn't meet eachother face to face until the events of Tekken 4.

why not? i dont see how it couldnt have been.

Jin didnt start till tekken 3 and later as he grew up faced his father in tekken 4

[shinra358]

i was talkin about the canon thing actually. its kinda funny that namco help make fighting layer....

[Violent Ken Masters]

what ever happened to the wolf possessed chick that was fought at the end of tekken tag ? so many things unaccounted for. r.mika and karen in sf4 = definite get!!!

what the heck, may as well bring back gotetsu too .

Tekken Tag wasn't canon, none of that ever happened.

Jin and Kazuya didn't meet eachother face to face until the events of Tekken 4.

why not? i dont see how it couldnt have been.

Tekken 2, Kazuya was thrown into a volcano and died there.
Jin hadn't been born yet.
Tekken 3, Jin goes out to fight Ogre, which may have kidnapped his mother, when he returns home, Heihachi shoots Jin in the head, which awakes the Devil within him.
Tekken 4, Kazuya was revived by G Corperation, in return he lets G Corp study him, when he gets word of Tekken 4, he goes because he wanted everything he lost after the events of Tekken 2, the end of Tekken 4, he meets his son for the first time.

[Tundra]

i was talkin about the canon thing actually. its kinda funny that namco help make fighting layer....

that game was garbage

[shinra358]

but still. how does that make tekken tag not cannon? it coulda been like resident evil 2, 3, and outbreak was: the same game just with different cenarios.

i mean on kof mi, geese returns but he has no story. thats cuz he is dead but they wanted to show you wat geese looks like in 3d. coulda been like that or something.

[Violent Ken Masters]

i was talkin about the canon thing actually. its kinda funny that namco help make fighting layer....

that game was garbage

So was Tekken 4.
After Tekken Tag, I was expecting so much more from the sequels.

I'm still waiting for a new Tekken game that will use the tag feature, just as an extra mode.

Tekken 5 was ok, because it brought back cool characters, a worthy boss fight, and devil within was better then the force mode games.

I don't see much changes in Tekken 6 besides a few added moves to characters and new (unimportant, insignificant) characters, and new stages.

T6 basically looks like a T5:DR2.

but still. how does that make tekken tag not cannon? it coulda been like resident evil 2, 3, and outbreak was: the same game just with different cenarios.

i mean on kof mi, geese returns but he has no story. thats cuz he is dead but they wanted to show you wat geese looks like in 3d. coulda been like that or something.

It's not canon because Kazuya isn't Gill.
He can't just go and say RESSURECTION!
Tekken 4 had a solid story to the aftermath of Tekken 3, which would make Tekken Tag create a time paradox if it was canon, and everybody would die.

You can't be in the pit of a volcano, and fighting your 20 year old son, in your 30 year old body at the same time. It just doesn't work that way.

As for KOF MI, that was Nightmare Geese, he's supposed to be a ghost created from everybody's bad memories of him, or something like that, his existence bears no weight on the actual Geese, which really is dead.

I doubt that Kazuya would be able to have a ghost, because he sold his soul to the devil.

[shinra358]

you forgot that kazuya was in the  regular tekken 5... and that was made after tag tournament. and since kazuya was revived in 4, that was near the tag tourney. so it coulda took place after 3 and within 4 as a side story or something. i mean they didnt make all those fmvs for it not to be cannon ya know... nah i think that geese was a show off for the 3d models. they also brought back dead chars (no story added) so that you can play with them just for the heck of it. for example. duke's dead sister. you can play with her. you could also play with candy and jason voorhees and about 10 more kof/samsho chars as secret costumes....

[Darkgargos]

Geez I can't believe this thread went from SF4 to Tekken  Funny how things go from one thing to another  Haven't checked on this thread in a while, but I don't have much interest in SF4 anymore. I'm of the opinion that Capcom fubarbed this one, or should I say made a mistake in trusting Dimps to make this game..since they are co-developing the game with them. Dimps is doing most of the actual coding and developing and Capcom supplies the ideas and concepts to them. I just don't care for how this game pulls together, it's cool if people like it and enjoy it for what it is, but for me...it's just not the SF I know and love. I guess I prefer SF in 2D and using 2D mechanics even though this is 3D with 2D gameplay. Capcom should have use sprites, but I can see that Capcom has no interest in using sprites ever again..which is sad. They should realize that just cause we live in a age where 3D rules, doesn't mean 2D should die. Capcom should continue to focus on what they do best and that's produce awesome 2D games. I miss the old Capcom, but times have changed and things aren't what they once were. I just want fast and solid and tight gameplay, I might give it a try, but I feel it won't have a impact on me like SF2 did or be as good and fun.

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

Well if this game is goin to where i think it is goin then all of the Street Fighter fans will finally get to see a damn climax to Ryu finally fighting Akuma once and for all, and therefore us seeing some more of a progression  of a storyline instead of that same damn ending where it has ryu walking in a sunset talkin about searching for something... Now most would think this would mean the end of Street Fighter, but just like comic books, it doens't have to end with akuma or m.bison, new warriors can be waiting... The idea of someone killing akuma finally is tight, cus you never kno, just like bison came back, it may be tight for him to come back as well, or what if Ryu's brother didn't really die... or what if akuma didn't die by the hands of ryu, he died protecting him (after he revealed he was his true father) this could open up some kind of new story for another street fighter... See what i mean.. Don't get me wrong, i don't want Akuma to die but, just like Tekken, someone has to die sooner or later or the same thing goes unfinished ....

[The Notic]

First of all, I just skimed through the new posts, and here's what I have to say, Akuma did die in SFEX, but who the f**k cares, it isn't canon, Capcom was not involved with Akira while making the game, so the new SFEX characters all are made by Akira, not Capcom! It has never really been said that Gouken is dead! Hell, for all we know, the new movie maybe b4 SF Generations in the timeline, Capcom does some f**ked up thing's like that! Generations was horrible, the story is all f**ked up, although if you pay attention it's actually how things happen, and Akuma is not Ryu's father, even though they make it seem like that in SF generations!

[shinra358]

Noooooooo akuma did not die. i showed proof. where in the game did it say that akuma died?

its not like capcom made generations... in which they didnt. nor any of the other movies for that matter.

ryu has no brother. shun, sadler, that particular android was all made up by the artist who drew the cartoon. they were not made by capcom.

how come almost every movie, it shows the heroes always meeting up for the first time?