Avalanche by Arkady & Electro

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

* pops in....reads threads* hmmm WOW people still debating on this character?  hmmm takes a closer looksy...... looks at the referencing pics.... then the sprite.

Look at Lando over here Co-Signing and stuff! hahaha Dude you want that member of the year award bad don't ya? hahahaha

Lando you have now gained 50 points!!!! hahaha!

[Rage]

Im posting here to two reason one is people pee'ed with the hacking and slashing of this wip. 4 pages on the same topic. Bison base.... i think he got it the first ten times. He he choose to do it in this manner so be it. no reason to continue to beat a dead horse. You gave your words and he gave his. There is no agreement so stop chasing each other around the bush. lets agree to disagree.

From a one base user to another.

First off I know the work that went into making this guy. the editing and such. Great job on that. But you've been around mugen long enough to know that noone likes a pallet swap. Thats what your "characters" are. Luke (sub name) (sir name) lanche are. All thats is being said is the something that you hear in pallet swapping threads. Yeah i know you made new move and what not but still.

My rules

1. when using a single base. change the stance and the walk. this alone will set the character apart from the base.

2. change some if not all basic attacks.

3. Replace some if not all special attacks. This is critical. change any signature attacks of the base. example bison head stomp, Crusher, etc. Those are end give aways and will retain the bases proprieties unless HEAVILY edited.

4. THE MOST IMPORTANT. For any character being made. Its your character. Do what you want. If your making it to please fans then listen to them. If you doing your own interpretation state that. This is my take on so and so this is the way i see them in mugen. They can objection and say he's this way but your words "MY TAKE" takes front row above all things.....

As said yeah i know and im sure others do know the work put into this. Just be more vocal on your intention. Also expect this type of comment (hopefully not so repetitive) if you do a pallets "swap" basically. For me i hate pallet swaps. that why i try my damnist to make my single base characters as different as possible. There really aint no fun in (im using your as an example. sorry if you dont like that.) Bison who looks like Avalanche. its bison wearing a different custom that give his attacks different properties.  I respect what you you did here and i just say its not for me. which is the reason why i am just now posting. I past him up originally and still see no attraction there. oh well.


Second Mew i know your watching this thread. I see many higher up edit post and threads (mostly threads) and you seemed to be the only one to rub people the wrong way. Mmmm ..... Just saying....

[Skeletor-EX]

Im posting here to two reason one is people pee'ed with the hacking and slashing of this wip. 4 pages on the same topic. Bison base.... i think he got it the first ten times. He he choose to do it in this manner so be it. no reason to continue to beat a dead horse. You gave your words and he gave his. There is no agreement so stop chasing each other around the bush. lets agree to disagree.

From a one base user to another.

First off I know the work that went into making this guy. the editing and such. Great job on that. But you've been around mugen long enough to know that noone likes a pallet swap. Thats what your "characters" are. Luke (sub name) (sir name) lanche are. All thats is being said is the something that you hear in pallet swapping threads. Yeah i know you made new move and what not but still.

My rules

1. when using a single base. change the stance and the walk. this alone will set the character apart from the base.

2. change some if not all basic attacks.

3. Replace some if not all special attacks. This is critical. change any signature attacks of the base. example bison head stomp, Crusher, etc. Those are end give aways and will retain the bases proprieties unless HEAVILY edited.

4. THE MOST IMPORTANT. For any character being made. Its your character. Do what you want. If your making it to please fans then listen to them. If you doing your own interpretation state that. This is my take on so and so this is the way i see them in mugen. They can objection and say he's this way but your words "MY TAKE" takes front row above all things.....

As said yeah i know and im sure others do know the work put into this. Just be more vocal on your intention. Also expect this type of comment (hopefully not so repetitive) if you do a pallets "swap" basically. For me i hate pallet swaps. that why i try my damnist to make my single base characters as different as possible. There really aint no fun in (im using your as an example. sorry if you dont like that.) Bison who looks like Avalanche. its bison wearing a different custom that give his attacks different properties.  I respect what you you did here and i just say its not for me. which is the reason why i am just now posting. I past him up originally and still see no attraction there. oh well.


Second Mew i know your watching this thread. I see many higher up edit post and threads (mostly threads) and you seemed to be the only one to rub people the wrong way. Mmmm ..... Just saying....

Now I really have nothing more to say. Rage KILLS IT with this... I like Rage!!

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

Im posting here to two reason one is people pee'ed with the hacking and slashing of this wip. 4 pages on the same topic. Bison base.... i think he got it the first ten times. He he choose to do it in this manner so be it. no reason to continue to beat a dead horse. You gave your words and he gave his. There is no agreement so stop chasing each other around the bush. lets agree to disagree.

From a one base user to another.

First off I know the work that went into making this guy. the editing and such. Great job on that. But you've been around mugen long enough to know that noone likes a pallet swap. Thats what your "characters" are. Luke (sub name) (sir name) lanche are. All thats is being said is the something that you hear in pallet swapping threads. Yeah i know you made new move and what not but still.

My rules

1. when using a single base. change the stance and the walk. this alone will set the character apart from the base.

2. change some if not all basic attacks.

3. Replace some if not all special attacks. This is critical. change any signature attacks of the base. example bison head stomp, Crusher, etc. Those are end give aways and will retain the bases proprieties unless HEAVILY edited.

4. THE MOST IMPORTANT. For any character being made. Its your character. Do what you want. If your making it to please fans then listen to them. If you doing your own interpretation state that. This is my take on so and so this is the way i see them in mugen. They can objection and say he's this way but your words "MY TAKE" takes front row above all things.....

As said yeah i know and im sure others do know the work put into this. Just be more vocal on your intention. Also expect this type of comment (hopefully not so repetitive) if you do a pallets "swap" basically. For me i hate pallet swaps. that why i try my damnist to make my single base characters as different as possible. There really aint no fun in (im using your as an example. sorry if you dont like that.) Bison who looks like Avalanche. its bison wearing a different custom that give his attacks different properties.  I respect what you you did here and i just say its not for me. which is the reason why i am just now posting. I past him up originally and still see no attraction there. oh well.


Second Mew i know your watching this thread. I see many higher up edit post and threads (mostly threads) and you seemed to be the only one to rub people the wrong way. Mmmm ..... Just saying....

 

Yep! Rage pretty much said everything I've been thinking!

[Tha Lando ( Le CROM )]

Look at Lando over here Co-Signing and stuff! hahaha Dude you want that member of the year award bad don't ya? hahahaha

Lando you have now gained 50 points!!!! hahaha!

  first off.. I already got it for 2012 sooooo ! swoosh ..50 points for me . IN YOUR FACE BARKLEY! 

second bro...Lando...co-signing? you should know me WAYYYYYY better than that bruh. i posted same thing everyone did but i didnt it in a contructive way. basically took everything said and worded it in the way it might of been. but alas, it is my thoughts. i am becoming a soon to be creator myself and i am a spriter, not as established as the long term peoples but i am learning good and practicing to get things the way I want and the e way they either should or could in sprite form for my skills level.

I agree with everything everyone one said, including you, Rage, Arkady and all.  there is a way to do it but its up to the creator to want to do it. cant force them. no one forces coders to all code the same , just like how we got multiple sprites of different ways and versions. this is what i consider his alpha look version.  it is what it is but yeah he can improve not only on the sprites looks but gameplay. at his own discretion. so dont be callin me no co-signer!

 you lucky i aint on skype! we would have a long roast session with you as the main course and you know it. 
 you know we homies man but imma say this .. legedary sir... go patch me a JIN Satome! stop playin with my emotions! 

 


good luck with your wip and hope to see more done to him.

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

first off.. I already got it for 2012 sooooo ! swoosh ..50 points for me . IN YOUR FACE BARKLEY! 

second bro...Lando...co-signing? you should know me WAYYYYYY better than that bruh. i posted same thing everyone did but i didnt it in a contructive way. basically took everything said and worded it in the way it might of been. but alas, it is my thoughts. i am becoming a soon to be creator myself and i am a spriter, not as established as the long term peoples but i am learning good and practicing to get things the way I want and the e way they either should or could in sprite form for my skills level.

I agree with everything everyone one said, including you, Rage, Arkady and all.  there is a way to do it but its up to the creator to want to do it. cant force them. no one forces coders to all code the same , just like how we got multiple sprites of different ways and versions. this is what i consider his alpha look version.  it is what it is but yeah he can improve not only on the sprites looks but gameplay. at his own discretion. so dont be callin me no co-signer!

 you lucky i aint on skype! we would have a long roast session with you as the main course and you know it. 
 you know we homies man but imma say this .. legedary sir... go patch me a JIN Satome! stop playin with my emotions! 

 


good luck with your wip and hope to see more done to him.

  Oh dude you aint said nuthing but a word cus we already waiting for you to get on skype so we can roast you on your co-signing bit! hahahahaa!

Besides....Lando you couldn't win a basketball game even if the other team made all the shots for ya! And that's wit Lebron, Kobe, and Dwayne Wade! BAHAHAHA!!!!! 

As for your comment over all, I see where your coming from, and dude you kno we're cool! Always that! But Lando......You still a co-signer!!!!! hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Oh and by the way....that Jin Satome patch is over here getting roasted very slowly...Reason why he's not released yet....CUS HE STILL GOT ISSUES!!!!! And I'm not putting him out till they are fixed! hahahaa

"Playing with yo emotions" Tsk Hmp!....Lando you kno your heartless! j/K

[Tha Lando ( Le CROM )]

Yep! Rage pretty much said everything I've been thinking!

pfttt and you callin me a co- signer? how dare you Sir Barkley! evidence proves it!   

 

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good points Rage made

i would definetly like to see more of avalanches powers in full play done crazy . he does of things in the comics and i saw him doing some cool moves in a comic i had where he was part of a goverment team. it was just him and pyro. they was kickin tail too. now i wanna find that comic cause of this thread.

some of the moves i saw him use was like he was riding a wave of dirt like iceman rides ice bridges but his looked like actual dirt ( earth). and he was tossing rocks at the x dudes. he used of that for shields. i would definetly look at some comics of what he actually doies and improvise on those moves  to function in mugen. we dont know his basic punch kick moves cause he rarely uses that, so who knows what he fights like in fisticuffs but def changin up some of Bisons basics is a cool idea to keep him away more from bison and addin more comic material and original concepts of what he would do with his powers and play on that really well.   Moves like trappin p2 legs in rocks ( somethin i plan to use as well on Toph ) and rush combo then smash opponent away with a slab of rock.  something crazy but yet i guess cool like that . many ways to go about it. 

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

pfttt and you callin me a co- signer? how dare you Sir Barkley! evidence proves it!   

Um No i'm not a co-signer Lando my man, cus i'm the one who said something about those same issues that Rage and others addressed first...So...ummm...NO! hahahaa!
Besides, you got the sprite ~SWAG~ down, so I'm sure you helping Arkady will help out . After all, I meant no ill will. I want to see the character made well just like anyone else. If he needs help with some coding, like I said, I can lend a hand....(Its the least I could do) tehehehe!

[esn23]

I will say talking to arkady in the past his whole rule about creating is trying to get characters out to the fans as fast as possible thats how he does things sometimes they are great other times not so great.. But you have to give the guy credit he does this to please the fans to give them another character in their roster that is how he sees mugen..  Although all his characters are edits of characters and not a full character but an edit of another character he gets it out there so that at least there are place holders in rosters..  I will say that he is dedicated in making characters quickly.  If you want a complete character one that isnt an edit youll have to wait a little longer usually takes a spriter 6 months to a year..  In the mean time if you like it download it if you dont then pass on it.  Thats the way i see it.

[DrZaius]

the last pic with pyro is the xmen cartoon of the 80's (thats what i mentioned about regarding bad cartoons- Xmen TAS)

*90's
*good cartoons

[HyperVoiceActing]

http://www.crisisoninfinitemidlives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/captain_america_facepalm.jpg

*90's
*good cartoons

Dude, watch that cartoon again and tell us with a straight face that it's aged well

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

I just want to say, at least Arkady has over 1,00 views in this topic which means more than half of that probably went and downloaded Avalanche, so that's GOOD! 

[DrZaius]

Dude, watch that cartoon again and tell us with a straight face that it's aged well

I had an X-Men marathon just last year.  Watched every episode.  The show only started to falter in the last season, with the changed visuals and different voice actors.

The show, as a whole, was and STILL IS amazing, for the dialog alone.  No other show based on Marvel superheroes has managed to reached the caliber of the 90s X-Men.  X-Men was like Marvel's answer to Batman: The Animated Series.  Heck, Capcom even used voice actors from the show for their fighting games.



This scene alone is better than anything to come out of any of the movies.

[HyperVoiceActing]

I'm gonna be honest, while there are some great aspects about the show, a lot of it's aged badly, and that clip really shows some of it. The animation can be quite shoddy at times and the while most of the voice acting is pretty solid, the ones that aren't REALLY falter (like Xavier, then again I'm kinda spoiled by Patrick Stewart's performance to really judge it fairly)

Cable's dialog at the end of that video really sells how bad the voice acting can get

[Skeletor-EX]

I promised SpiderMew that I wouldn't say anything else, so I'll just show you what I've done with your standing sprite...



This took just a few minutes in Photoshop. I do not consider myself a spriter by any means, but I DO know how to draw very well. As you can see, same base, but not so obvious. I've franken-sprited an entirely new arm on the right, and a new hand on the left... The -A- on his chest is a bit lame in my personal opinion, so this is the costume my version comes from...



I completely recreated the legs from scratch, as well as his chest and mid section... Good luck in your updates man...

[HyperVoiceActing]

For some reason your sprite reminds me of Colossus

[Arkady]

looks good 

[Skeletor-EX]

For some reason your sprite reminds me of Colossus

lmao! That's crazy!  Colossus has NOTHING to do with this. That's Arkady's Avalanche sprite! I simply edited it in Photoshop! Took the arm on the right from Cable, and also Cable's hand on the left... You said sprite it myself, so that's exactly what I did... 

[Skeletor-EX]

looks good

Thanks man! 

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

I promised SpiderMew that I wouldn't say anything else, so I'll just show you what I've done with your standing sprite...



I completely recreated the legs from scratch, as well as his chest and mid section... Good luck in your updates man...

   Wow! Now that's a nice looking Avalanche right there! He actually looks like Avalanche! Good Job Skelo! And with you not even being a spriter....this just NICE dude!!!! 

[Skeletor-EX]

  Wow! Now that's a nice looking Avalanche right there! Good Job skelo, and with you not even being a spriter....NICE dude!!!!

Well, you know I'm like a jack of all trades when it comes to Mugen. Stages, Music, editing, and I guess now, Spriting!! I think I'll do this more often! Thanks for the compliment sir!  

[DrZaius]

I'm gonna be honest, while there are some great aspects about the show, a lot of it's aged badly, and that clip really shows some of it. The animation can be quite shoddy at times and the while most of the voice acting is pretty solid, the ones that aren't REALLY falter (like Xavier, then again I'm kinda spoiled by Patrick Stewart's performance to really judge it fairly)

Cable's dialog at the end of that video really sells how bad the voice acting can get

Shows this good are timeless.  They're just universally good, regardless of whatever faults they have.  And this show honestly didn't have that many.  The animation was great.  AKOM was hired to do the animation.  They've worked on Disney's Gargoyles, The Tick, and The Simpsons.  And the voice acting was consistently good.  I always thought Patrick Stewart's voice was a little too deep for the character.  If anything stood out as a problem regularly it was some of the editing.  Sometimes the cuts were so sudden and erratic that it screwed up the pacing of the show.  And if you want to criticize the animation, look at the changes made in the final season.

On another note, sorry for going off topic.  Ever since I picked up that Avalanche action figure with the rock on wheels he rides around on, I've been somewhat interested in the character.

[HyperVoiceActing]

The animation was great.  AKOM was hired to do the animation.  They've worked on Disney's Gargoyles, The Tick, and The Simpsons.

Really? Those shows (mainly Gargoyles and Tick) must have been made after X-Men cause they have MUCH better animation than X-Men did.

And the voice acting was consistently good.  I always thought Patrick Stewart's voice was a little too deep for the character.

Ever consider that 90s X-Men's Xavier voice was too nasaly for the character?

Also they barely used Nightcrawler at all, and he's one of the best X-Men.

[DrZaius]

Really? Those shows (mainly Gargoyles and Tick) must have been made after X-Men cause they have MUCH better animation than X-Men did.
Ever consider that 90s X-Men's Xavier voice was too nasaly for the character?

Also they barely used Nightcrawler at all, and he's one of the best X-Men.

...Yeees, they DID come out later.

And Nightcrawler isn't an X-Man!  He's a dirty Excalibur member!  They're like... EUROPE'S X-Men.

[UltimateBiosparkJ]

I promised SpiderMew that I wouldn't say anything else, so I'll just show you what I've done with your standing sprite...



This took just a few minutes in Photoshop. I do not consider myself a spriter by any means, but I DO know how to draw very well. As you can see, same base, but not so obvious. I've franken-sprited an entirely new arm on the right, and a new hand on the left... The -A- on his chest is a bit lame in my personal opinion, so this is the costume my version comes from...



I completely recreated the legs from scratch, as well as his chest and mid section... Good luck in your updates man...

Wow!! I been roaming around the topics and thread and stumbled into this one. Man, what I a lot of ruckus. I only have one thing to stand on after reading each page in this topic and that is what a "major edit"! For someone who doesn't sprite, you sure brought an amazing change to his actually sprites, Skeletor-EX. When I first saw Avalanche I was like, "oh snap a new character", but then I took a closer look at the spriting and was like,"Hey, that's Fat Bison with Seismic abilities".

Come on! I"m grateful to see some new stuff being brought, but this trend is getting to common. I like to see spriters use their talents to bring something into Mugen that has never had life yet. I can mention one specific spriter that I have seen that has brought one of my personal favorites to life with no problem and he exceeded my expectations.

My take on this characters as far as spriting is......................"NOT FYE"

I see where you going with this, but take it further, don't start in with a creation, release it and it comes out like this. This was causes an uproar such as this case. Too much of "Fat Bison" in this guy. Gotta make him unique and innovative where this feels like "Damn, this is Avalanche!" Its amazing someone who has the potential, but no label of titling themselves a spriter and pop up and show you what Avalanche can really look like as a character.