Avalanche by Arkady & Electro

[HyperVoiceActing]

...Yeees, they DID come out later.

And Nightcrawler isn't an X-Man!  He's a dirty Excalibur member!  They're like... EUROPE'S X-Men.

Got something against the Europians?

[Arkady]

Got something against the Europians?

yeah they all hate fat bisons hahaha
so many expectations of grandure of me, my god,, and the whigning. but i am loving the feedback though, and the i can sprite him better stuff maybe shouldve been brought up, when i opened the wip topic last year.  but every bit helps and im
sure skeletors pose there will give me more direction for another update of avalanche, anyways wolverine and the xmen, Avalanche is my favorite version, whats yours?
   

[HyperVoiceActing]

I rather like the WatXM Avalanche as well. In fact I love a lot of WatXM.

If only we got that second season ...

[esn23]

yeah they all hate fat bisons hahaha
so many expectations of grandure of me, my god,, and the whigning. but i am loving the feedback though, and the i can sprite him better stuff maybe shouldve been brought up, when i opened the wip topic last year.  but every bit helps and im
sure skeletors pose there will give me more direction for another update of avalanche, anyways wolverine and the xmen, Avalanche is my favorite version, whats yours?
 

Lol I did tell you about this last year in your wip topic over at cvg arkady and a lot of other people told you as well so it was brought up

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

Lol I did tell you about this last year in your wip topic over at cvg arkady and a lot of other people told you as well so it was brought up

WOOOOOOOOOOW!!! 

[Arkady]

told me about? im not sure what you refered to.
i personally wanted a heavyset version, which is what i went with compared to the bases suggested which were very slim version that i had never read in comics i grew up reading

[esn23]

heres the link if you dont remember
http://cvgunited.com/index.php?topic=11478.0
i said this on feb 9th
hmm i dont think hes that buff he is more skinny.. Why does he pop his shoulder blades in and out of socket in his stance.. Why does he float for a walk?  I wont say anymore but i think more work needs to be done..  But good concept..

i said this on the 29th of feb
really because it looks like street fighter alpha bison flying forward..  Im just saying not trying to be mean i have seen some of arkadys other works and know he can do much better

whiplash said this on march
I gotta be honest with you... I'm with ESN on this.. Not your best work Arkady.

alexziq said this
You need to work on taking feedback my friend.

It still looks too much like bison, the stance is a tad awkward, and the pants look baggy.

Personally id refrankensprite Caps upper legs with bisons lower legs.

Were a team were not out to offend you, but the bar is raising at CVG, and were trying to make sure CVG releases better characters than we did in the past.

Thats just the direction this site is going, so it's not personal.

For the record I dont think the size is a problem

I do think the shirt tails sticking out from under the belt is a problem, but if you use part of caps legs from waist to ankle then it shouldnt be an issue

My whole point is you said no one told you this a year ago when you posted the topic and everyone on cvg was telling you he looked like bison and to change this or that so it shouldnt come as a shock that no one has said it before..  You have done good work on sue and angel not trying to be a sour grape or anything im just saying this was told to you when you posted the topic a year ago so it shouldnt come as a suprise and dont take this as an attack people are just trying to help you grow as a creator i have seen the potential you have you just need to take more time to make your characters solid and listen to the feedback people give you if it was a year ago or now you need to take feed back

[Arkady]

oh yeah that, i already commited to doing what was doing since the other half of that same thread suggested that it wasn't that bad for a start and that it could be improved on (on which it will in time) but for the moment fans (or haters) of my work can see and play whats been created thus far
everyone can have their own opinions, of which feedback is important, but im all for is giving fans a chance to play betas, as soon as possible, no point holding onto characters back if they the work doesn't get showed at some point,
angel is where it is now, cox of feedback through the years and hard work me and aa250 put into it, there is a fear i have that drives me, keep creating these types of betas, one day i'll be over it, but atleast some one new can pick up what ive started and create it into, what you all wanna see, but for now enjoy or complain either way the character gets more recognised or better in updates with every post

right now im getting back to getting drunk and watching rugby league, with an ice cold tooheys old, cheers

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

oh yeah that, i already commited to doing what was doing since the other half of that same thread suggested that it wasn't that bad for a start and that it could be improved on (on which it will in time) but for the moment fans (or haters) of my work can see and play whats been created thus far
everyone can have their own opinions, of which feedback is important, but im all for is giving fans a chance to play betas, as soon as possible, no point holding onto characters back if they the work doesn't get showed at some point,
angel is where it is now, cox of feedback through the years and hard work me and aa250 put into it, there is a fear i have that drives me, keep creating these types of betas, one day i'll be over it, but atleast some one new can pick up what ive started and create it into, what you all wanna see, but for now enjoy or complain either way the character gets more recognised or better in updates with every post

right now im getting back to getting drunk and watching rugby league, with an ice cold tooheys old, cheers

Well DANG!!!! All of them told you this too?.....Well i'll be.... So in other words you already knew he looked like "Fat M.Bison" yet when other people here said it, your buddies got offended and you did too and you said that we were whining about it..... Wow....Just Woooooooooooow!

Whelp...Its official.....Avalanche is "Fat M.Bison" until further notice/Next update....I'll be glad to help with coding but until those sprites are fixed,

"FAT M.BISON" HE IS....Sorry dude but he is.....

heres the link if you dont remember
http://cvgunited.com/index.php?topic=11478.0
My whole point is you said no one told you this a year ago when you posted the topic and everyone on cvg was telling you he looked like bison and to change this or that so it shouldnt come as a shock that no one has said it before..  You have done good work on sue and angel not trying to be a sour grape or anything im just saying this was told to you when you posted the topic a year ago so it shouldnt come as a suprise and dont take this as an attack people are just trying to help you grow as a creator i have seen the potential you have you just need to take more time to make your characters solid and listen to the feedback people give you if it was a year ago or now you need to take feed back

                >>>> 

[Arkady]

last post wins

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

last post wins

    

[Arkady]

post post post quote post quote im so cool quote please help code my trash quote post i love you all
just keep being that guy, im sure we'll get the message one day

the bisoalanche is coming, and everybody's dancing
(or something i can't remember the next line)
 
ps i liked charles barkley till now where everytime here when i check for some for real feedback i see patch king spew more quotes of justice

[ZVitor]

just dont change your style, im sure you are having fun creating this chars, so continue on this way.
i saw all this crap with my aquaman rykuo too.

[volzzilla]

just dont change your style, im sure you are having fun creating chars, so continue on this way.

This. That is all that matters.

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

post post post quote post quote im so cool quote please help code my trash quote post i love you all
just keep being that guy, im sure we'll get the message one day

the bisoalanche is coming, and everybody's dancing
(or something i can't remember the next line)
 
ps i liked charles barkley till now where everytime here when i check for some for real feedback i see patch king spew more quotes of justice

  Really Arkady?.... Dude....I gave you "REAL FEEDBACK" Its called telling you the freakin truth. But judging by what others have said to you here and also at CVG, dude you can't handle real feedback.....

You acting the way you are just makes you look even worse....   

[DeleFresh]

Really Arkady?.... Dude....I gave you "REAL FEEDBACK" Its called telling you the freakin truth. But judging by what others have said to you here and also at CVG, dude you can't handle real feedback.....

You acting the way you are just makes you look even worse....   

Man, I think you made your point.  You've probably also won your argument.  But at this point I think you've posted in this more than the author - maybe you're taking this too far?

"Whelp...Its official.....Avalanche is "Fat M.Bison" until further notice/Next update....I'll be glad to help with coding but until those sprites are fixed,
"FAT M.BISON" HE IS....Sorry dude but he is..... " 

- I think this is when your need to win/beat him(?) started making YOU look petty.

Let it go.

[Black Ops20]

 

[Excursion]

Cool it fellas. R@ce, relax.

Feedback can be taken two ways and the person receiving the feedback has no obligation to actually implement any changes to whatever he releases, but this is an old argument. This is Arkady's release thread and I can see how and why he is starting to take the defensive side because you guys keep driving the point that Avalanche looks too much like " Fat M. Bison." Point was made. Move on to other points rather than continually joking about or bashing his work as DeleFresh pointed out. If you want to leave constructive feedback, fine, but keep it constructive and not borderline insulting and remember that it can be or will not be used.

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

Man, I think you made your point.  You've probably also won your argument.  But at this point I think you've posted in this more than the author - maybe you're taking this too far?

"Whelp...Its official.....Avalanche is "Fat M.Bison" until further notice/Next update....I'll be glad to help with coding but until those sprites are fixed,
"FAT M.BISON" HE IS....Sorry dude but he is..... " 

- I think this is when your need to win/beat him(?) started making YOU look petty.

Let it go.

Who cares what you think? You just now came in and got everything mixed up. You obviously don't realize that we all tried to give him feedback the right way without anything being said and he still got mad. So whatever....And in case you forgot, mostly everyone agreed, its his smart comments is the reason why people kept responding...

Cool it fellas. R@ce, relax.

Feedback can be taken two ways and the person receiving the feedback has no obligation to actually implement any changes to whatever he releases, but this is an old argument. This is Arkady's release thread and I can see how and why he is starting to take the defensive side because you guys keep driving the point that Avalanche looks too much like " Fat M. Bison." Point was made. Move on to other points rather than continually joking about or bashing his work as DeleFresh pointed out. If you want to leave constructive feedback, fine, but keep it constructive and not borderline insulting and remember that it can be or will not be used.

Ok, i'll move on...But Excursion i'm tellin you dude, if we start posting about the bugs the character has, him and his lil buddies are going get offended by that as well. Even if its constructive....

[ExeLord]

Who cares what you think? You just now came in and got everything mixed up. You obviously don't realize that we all tried to give him feedback the right way without anything being said and he still got mad. So whatever....And in case you forgot, mostly everyone agreed, its his smart comments is the reason why people kept responding...

Even I got mad(though I'm not involved in character creation by any means) by how you gave that "feedback", I've stopped myself 4 times from writing essay in our patented Lando-ExL style 2 pages long. Everyone except blind people can see it's Bison-based. Everyone heard the point of changing base more to make Avalanche more unique from you, Skorpophobia and Skeletor. Not only once, I don't even want to count how much times. While some of them was polite and just suggesting to "make better later" most of them was plainly rude getting even worse with time. Belittling effort went into creation of character, accusation of laziness, arrogance, mockery, it came to humiliation of both author and character. Even Lando by some unknown reason was being called "co-signer" . He got in the way of the grinder. DeleFresh got his portion too. Probably I also will receive it, but I don't care. I hoped SpiderMew's comment'll stop it - no, nor his, nor Rage's, nor Excursion's it's going and going.

No one telling that Avalanche wouldn't be better if he was more edited, more custom - he would. Point was gotten long-long ago. Character now IS as he IS, he might be changed, might be not(though probably he would be changed), take it if you like, don't if not, just that simple. Point about how you want him(or rather how you don't want him and dislike how he is now) was voiced far more times then needed. Be a man - leave the tread without returning to it just for the sake of saying something like:

Whelp...Its official.....Avalanche is "Fat M.Bison" until further notice/Next update....I'll be glad to help with coding but until those sprites are fixed,

"FAT M.BISON" HE IS....Sorry dude but he is.....

P.S. I'm getting this feeling more and more. You kinda the one called negative leader in sociology. While I enjoy your patches and respect you for them I can't shake feeling that your presence makes Skeletor and Skorpophobia get loose. Like you are protecting them so they can say whatever with impunity. I didn't see that much violence from them in threads where you not involved. Might be I got it wrong, but it looks like that to me now.

[Black Ops20]

P.S. I'm getting this feeling more and more. You kinda the one called negative leader in sociology. While I enjoy your patches and respect you for them I can't shake feeling that your presence makes Skeletor and Skorpophobia get loose. Like you are protecting them so they can say whatever with impunity. I didn't see that much violence from them in threads where you not involved. Might be I got it wrong, but it looks like that to me now.

Nah, there always like that. These guys haven't liked each other from the start so all this is to take unneccesary stabs at each other. Its all pretty old but it won't stop. Yea, your kinda making yourself look dumb now race.

[Shadow Dio]

, I was wondering why this topic was getting so much attention. Seems like stupid internet fights clogging up space for propper feedback on Fatty McBison. 

Cause we all know this would be MAYBE a 2-3 page topic... if that.

[Space (DCL)]

Looks like M.Bison...

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Of course he does thats the base smdh why are people complaining about it? I didn't read any previous posts btw

[Tha Lando ( Le CROM )]

writing essay in our patented Lando-ExL style 2 pages long.

Even Lando by some unknown reason was being called "co-signer" . He got in the way of the grinder

on the first sentence....

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and on the other part ,
yeah...Lando essay time! like it or not! 

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yo lando is not sweating that co - signer thang. why, cause Lando knows how to be the bigger man in it all. .  But me and Race had our solo discussion last night. So he know where i am coming from with all that labeling. We cool and always been cool . But yo Race...dont be callin me no cosigner homie! 

 my thoughts on all the long drawn out issue is just like said, its clear to see its a SF alpha sprite Bison like. thats no biggie. i actually think he made a cool choice when going for an alpha style Avalanche in sprite base, not too much work to do in comestics and thats not a bad thing. his work , his style. i can respect that. Just maybe to deviate from him Looking like bison, a few tad touchups but the base he chose will work definetly. you have to visualize the authors vision of Avalanche, not your personal want or own. if thats the case, then said folks go make your version or give concise feedback in good respects so a creator or upcoming one can follow through and do what can be done if said creator chooses too.  I been around for 10 years in mugen and trust me , i think we can do better with how we give feedback and not just throw it out there any kind of way and expect them to "filter" the mess from the good points . that deters people sometimes from wanting to even release good stuff from the humble first tryouts. this goes for characters, stages, music , video etc.  . nuff said.

There are plenty of fans that want a good playing avalanche and there will come many versions of him maybe later down the road or sooner but definetly looking forward to a good one i like or again different versions cause in mugen we all know how it is. i dont usually give any feedback like that but i think there is some cool things that can be done cause i want to see some cool good comic characters like avalanche brung to life. so imma keep it real and respectful cause i rather help you instead of roasting someone. its no where that way.

Feedback on Avalanche and Ideas:

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clearly he has ALOT of Bison moves still in him, thats apparent.  i think to deviate from the base in moves would be to add some cool moves that play of his actual powers.  add them in specials and cool hypers. 
he does make and ride on a wave of earth and thats a cool idea in my opinion to do a special or and a hyper to use with it.
boulders thrown by pulling them out of the ground using his power could be used for long range attacks.he can make earth shield ( rock or actual dirt not dry land looking dirt tho ) for a defensive block animation. if using the Bison slide can make him do a sort of Kickin up earth and you get hit by the earth and not his actual feet.
like i said before to him, could have a move that traps opponents feet while he rushes in for a hit, or can shoot a special boulder move at him if not blocked. Many ways to play on this characters powers. I will use some myself for toph bei fong but in a different way. so def i would love to see some wild out moves that pay homage to Avalanche.

the thing is with making mugen characters from things we love and fans of there is a solid difference when making characters from comics, you dont see the motions in fluidity in how they actually fisticuffs fight. so you have to interpret if they fought with hands and feet, what kind of ways would they do it? its different if watching cartoons or animations cause you actuall see how its used but you still have to do your take on it with what material is available or making it custom. and it takes time to get it right and good. spriting is hard work. you have to love it to wanna keep doing it. There is an easy way and hard ways but do what you can and try to make a character or whatever as good as you want him in your vision or if you catering to the fans wants.  I dont know who said it but i read it here, " when you making a character to give to people you always make a character  for yourself first and everyone else last". I have to say that is one of the best lines i ever read concerning making characters and for me , its true.  put of yourself  and love in your works bro on avalanche and your others and take your time. I think Quality of quanity is the golden rule. Looking forward to seeing what else you put in to the character to have him solid the way you want and good tribute to The Avalanche.  wish you well on  him and others.

Ok i am finished. . and if anyone dont like what i just said..... tough!

Hail CROM !

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- co- sign that! 

[HyperVoiceActing]

It's not like Avalanche is ALWAYS portrayed as a skinny dude. In many comics and shows he has a bulky figure and he wants it to reflect that.

Nothing wrong with artistic differences. Same reason our Kitty has a ponytail even though many people hate ponytail Kitty