Logan (wolverine)

[warecus]

cody's jail pants can be colored blue and add a semi stripe or stitching to the side idk

[DARKTALBAIN]

Or just make him privately for yourself. It's that simple.

Who made that head anyway? Is it Loganir's?

[warecus]

capcom made a few heads from his ending in cota

[The Anvil]

Yeah, i made those wolverine heads....

I don't really want people using them at this time, because i plan on using them in the future...

[Playing Enemy]

Just curious, are the legs that were used for Super Boy from another character from an actual game, or were they sprited from scratch? If they were just used from another character, you'd really just need to ask Capcom to use them or whatever actual game company made them, right? Even though I know no one does that cause this is mugen, I'm just saying. If they are from scratch though, definitely try and get permission if you can, cause this Logan looks pretty sweet like that. 

[The Anvil]

Just curious, are the legs that were used for Super Boy from another character from an actual game, or were they sprited from scratch? If they were just used from another character, you'd really just need to ask Capcom to use them or whatever actual game company made them, right? Even though I know no one does that cause this is mugen, I'm just saying. If they are from scratch though, definitely try and get permission if you can, cause this Logan looks pretty sweet like that. 

Yeah, i made those wolverine heads....

I don't really want people using them at this time, because i plan on using them in the future...

[Alexziq]

You might as well lock the topic he officially elected to dump the WIP.

Another illegal WIP successfully defeated!  


Post Merge: May 24, 2010, 08:54:17 AM

Yeah, i made those wolverine heads....

I don't really want people using them at this time, because i plan on using them in the future...

No offense but wasn't your 1st release of maskless Wolverine using someone elses unauthorized base? As I remember Sonic X was one of the only forums that allowed it's release. 

[The Anvil]

Me and AC ended up getting permission.

And it wasn't sprites, it was codes, a little different.

[Alexziq]

Me and AC ended up getting permission.

And it wasn't sprites, it was codes, a little different.

Could you elaborate?

As a coder, it's not from my perspective, or many in the community.

Sprites (unless from scratch, and origional material) cant be copywritten, but code can be.

[DARKTALBAIN]

I will chime in here....

Using another creator's code or another creator's sprites. It's all the same. You are still using something by another creator without permission. Hence by the official/unofficial rules of mugen, You are not allowed to do that.

Just to clear things up

[The Anvil]

Either way, i got permission. There's no point trying to make out that i'm a thief because you want to see this character made.

As i said, right now i'm not giving anyone permission to use my wolverine.

[Acey]

Either way, i got permission. There's no point trying to make out that i'm a thief because you want to see this character made.

As i said, right now i'm not giving anyone permission to use my wolverine.

When I coded Maskless Wolverine the code was 100% Kongs and mine, so no permission needed from anything there. Whatever was released before I got involved it none of my business.

As for the topic at hand, Anvil has said his piece.

[Alexziq]

1st off I am not talking about your version Acey, this was long b4 you were even involved.

Anyway I edited this post because I couldn't word it without it coming off rude. I was simply trying to point out the trials of newb creators, and that it could have turned out much differant for Anvil had he not got permission. I was not insinuating he was a thief, thats never been my style, plenty of people can vouch for me on that.


2nd I dont care about the heads, and getting this character made. I'm not a Wolvie fan.

My point was about sprite editing existing material isnt differant than using a code base without permission.
 
I will say I am really surprised at the defensiveness here, since I was simply making a point, and not being combative. I am a tad surprised we couldn't have a friendly chat about this.

[DARKTALBAIN]

I was just simply making a statement about the so called " rules " of mugen. Using code, sprites, backgrounds, whatever without permission. It's all the same in the eyes of those creators that call people " thieves "

I do not run around the community calling people thieves. I do feel that this is just a hobby & have better things to do with my life than calling people thieves all day long.

I may point pout if someone used something. But then I leave it at that.

[The Anvil]

I was just simply making a statement about the so called " rules " of mugen. Using code, sprites, backgrounds, whatever without permission. It's all the same in the eyes of those creators that call people " thieves "

I do not run around the community calling people thieves. I do feel that this is just a hobby & have better things to do with my life than calling people thieves all day long.

I may point pout if someone used something. But then I leave it at that.

Agreed, but what if your not totally finished with something? or you have future use of your own stuff?

[Acey]

Agreed, but what if your not totally finished with something? or you have future use of your own stuff?

What I do is give most anyone permission who asks, although 95% of the people never get further than an animation or two. It's sad, I'd like to see more stuff completed. Every once and a while there will be someone who comes along that you can collaborate with as well, you just have to make sure they're not part of that 95%.

Just my two cents. Either way, your work is your wishes.

[DARKTALBAIN]

Agreed, but what if your not totally finished with something? or you have future use of your own stuff?

The head is already in a released character that everyone knows you made.

Those heads you made were based on capcom's design. So it's not totally original. Am I correct in that statement?

Even if you granted this guy permission to use your heads, I'm almost positive that his Logan would be something completely different than what you & ANC are working on. It makes sense what he is doing with the head. It's not like he is trying to just paste the head on Ryu or something. In light of all this, I would give this guy a chance to see what/if he can do something.

But......

I do agree with Acey, it is your work & you can do as you wish with it.

[Darkmanx_429]

"Sigh.." this is where every thread about that age old conversation about mugen usually ends...one thing I don't agree with..another possible great mugen creator has been discouraged before he even got started..(not directed at a mean way at any specific person(s) )and I do agree with his comments about the lack of "sharing" and also about everyone forgetting why mugen was fun in the 1st place. Not to say that I don't respect creators hardwork (I work countless hours on spriting myself.)and I am not saying it's right to take others hardwork, make minor edits and calling it your own, I just think if every forum took the all that energy that they use trying to monopolize, control, privatise, or making themselves stand out or feel special about our "free hobby" and help the community establish actual creators (from all skill levels), we would all benefit from the great work that would be created in the end. Creation in mugen shouldn't be like a "members only" club...that is why we STILL haven't had a decent character creation tutorial for everyone to enjoy....

[Arkady]

HERE HERE!!!! finally a like wise mind who doesn't dribble the old topic of "oh i spent all my free time and hard at work"
solemn, sworn, and helpful, may all creators/readers think likewise
thank you