Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

[Acey]

It's the training stage.

Also: I don't get this "Virgil is a clone of dante" business. Manolo, you play dante, when was the last time you did all the floating sword moves?

You guy's are all just mad because x character didn't get in but another DMC character did. I mean come on, unless your blind/ never ever played as dante you'd notice that virgil isn't the same. But whatever, you people just complain for the sake of complaining.

I probably shouldn't jump to conclusions like "you guys are just mad", although that usually is the case. Here it's just that Capcom said they don't want to have clones in this game, e.g. Ryu and Ken. I called Vergil a Dante clone because of...

* Ground normals looks like Dante's, especailly since he has a big phat sword
* Jump normals looks like Dante's
* Jumping special looks like and has the same properties as Dante's
* His spin attack looks just like  Dante's "Revolver" (D,B, M)
* Hyper - Devil Trigger
* Hyper - Devil Must Die (Virgil also has knifes at the end of it)
* He looks like a Blue Dante

* Conversly, he also has an air hyper (Wesker-ish) and a hyper where is is surrounded by blue light, so apprently Virgil has 4 hypers?

[-Whiplash-]

I probably shouldn't jump to conclusions like "you guys are just mad", although that usually is the case. Here it's just that Capcom said they don't want to have clones in this game, e.g. Ryu and Ken. I called Vergil a Dante clone because of...

* Ground normals looks like Dante's, especailly since he has a big phat sword
* Jump normals looks like Dante's
* Jumping special looks like and has the same properties as Dante's
* His spin attack looks just like  Dante's "Revolver" (D,B, M)
* Hyper - Devil Trigger
* Hyper - Devil Must Die (Virgil also has knifes at the end of it)
* He looks like a Blue Dante

- his normal aren't dante's normals, though, they look similier cause they're both from the same game.
- same thing
- this is because they both had beowulf and Vergil had that sword dante has in DMC 1 at the end of the game, so it stands to reason they'd have some shared moves.
- yeah, okay.
- that's cause he could do it in source game.
- huh? I don't remeber dante having any other hypers that were the same? which one is this?
-they're identical twins for christ's sake.

yeah you're right about those things, but it's because they come from the same game and share some moves in DMC3, trust me if he didn't have everything thing he could do in DMC3, DMC fans would be mad. (I know two of them, one of them is getting this game solely to play as vergil.) He should have a few more moves we haven't seen yet. If he's anything like source game, anyway.

[Gaijin]

Hmm before I speak on the matter...yea it's me. I disagree with you Acey on the fact that Vergil is a Dante clone. Here is why:

* Vergil has no guns

* No bold cancel (this one I am unsure about)

* Different Beowulf moves

* Devil trigger is of course gonna be there so thats not really a clone fact imo because it was unavoidable

* Jumping normals don't look like Dante's (take a slightly closer look and you will see what I mean)

* Vergil only has 1 or 2 ground normal that we know thats the same as Dante's

* His WHOLE fighting style and gameplay is different that Dante's

There are more things I could list but this is all I pretty much care to post at this time. In my opinion, the things that you based Vergil being a clone of Dante off of are a tad nitpicky and really kinda minor. I don't believe that is anywhere close to classifying Vergil as a clone. Look at Dante and look at Vergil then compare the gameplay and normals and move sets (that we do know) then I can 100% guarantee you will change your mind.

[Space (DCL)]

Simple, it's just so no skill people that stick to Ryu and just do Hadoken/ Shoryuken spamming combos get more cheap moves to spam with...

You mean like Wesker? All people have to do is shot the gun, teleport, repeat. Spamming Hadoukens doesnt take no skill either, but one fatal flaw to that is they'll be easily caught in any long ranged super that can through projectiles or basically destroys any projectiles.

Example: Bionic Arm, Weapon X Prime, Hyper Charging Star, Any Long Ranged Level 3s

Ryu can't teleport after a hadouken anyways. Basically, Ryu's Threat Level just went through the roof.

Hmm before I speak on the matter...yea it's me. I disagree with you Acey on the fact that Vergil is a Dante clone. Here is why:

* Vergil has no guns

* No bold cancel (this one I am unsure about)

* Different Beowulf moves

* Devil trigger is of course gonna be there so thats not really a clone fact imo because it was unavoidable

* Jumping normals don't look like Dante's (take a slightly closer look and you will see what I mean)

* Vergil only has 1 or 2 ground normal that we know thats the same as Dante's

* His WHOLE fighting style and gameplay is different that Dante's

There are more things I could list but this is all I pretty much care to post at this time. In my opinion, the things that you based Vergil being a clone of Dante off of are a tad nitpicky and really kinda minor. I don't believe that is anywhere close to classifying Vergil as a clone. Look at Dante and look at Vergil then compare the gameplay and normals and move sets (that we do know) then I can 100% guarantee you will change your mind.

[Gaijin]

You mean like Wesker? All people have to do is shot the gun, teleport, repeat. Spamming Hadoukens doesnt take no skill either, but one fatal flaw to that is they'll be easily caught in any long ranged super that can through projectiles or basically destroys any projectiles.

Example: Bionic Arm, Weapon X Prime, Hyper Charging Star, Any Long Ranged Level 3s

Ryu can't teleport after a hadouken anyways. Basically, Ryu's Threat Level just went through the roof.
 

Yes you are right about Ryu. In the current game, Ryu's fireballs are really near useless because they are slow and easily avoidable. Plus Ryu wants to TRY to spam fireballs... just let him and punish him EVERY time he think s that is a safe route to take. I am glad Ryu got upgraded though I will NEVER play the character unless I want to joke around.

[Space (DCL)]

Yes you are right about Ryu. In the current game, Ryu's fireballs are really near useless because they are slow and easily avoidable. Plus Ryu wants to TRY to spam fireballs... just let him and punish him EVERY time he think s that is a safe route to take. I am glad Ryu got upgraded though I will NEVER play the character unless I want to joke around.

 

Also, I've played as Ryu a lot...and I mean a lot...(Ive used X23 more though ) so I know the dangers of using a Hadouken from far.

Wesker's Gun can easily hit Ryu first maybe even before he gets a chance to throw the hadouken. Plus it goes RIGHT ABOVE the hadouken. Which means Ryu will get hit no matter what...just imagine if he was able to shoot upward...
Trish's Low Voltage H can stop Ryu's Hadouken, and yet STILL have 1 extra projectile (top one).
Magnus's E.M. Disruptor goes real fast and can easily stop a Hadouken (in Vanilla Mvc3, looks like it got slowed down in Chocolate MvC3)
Zero's Hadangeki H can stop Ryu's Hadouken, the Weaker versions get destroyed and the Hadouken keeps going
Sentinel's Rocket Punch cancels out the Hadouken...which I have no idea why.....
Sentinel Force can stop a hadouken and STILL have one more charging.
Ironman's Unibeam M or H will just obliterate any Hadouken like projectile...
Taskmaster's full charged Aim Master will stop the hadouken and have ONE extra arrow left to hit Ryu

Theres a lot more...

[Gaijin]

Yes there is definitely . Man in UMVC3 I will definitely profess my love for my favorite character Fei Long by picking up Iron Fist on one of my many future teams. I am so going all in on everyone I can. Something tells me that Rocket Raccoon is gonna be hella cheap.

[C.R.O.M. - ManoloStyle]

You mean like Wesker? All people have to do is shot the gun, teleport, repeat. Spamming Hadoukens doesnt take no skill either, but one fatal flaw to that is they'll be easily caught in any long ranged super that can through projectiles or basically destroys any projectiles.

Example: Bionic Arm, Weapon X Prime, Hyper Charging Star, Any Long Ranged Level 3s

Ryu can't teleport after a hadouken anyways. Basically, Ryu's Threat Level just went through the roof.
 

Yes you are right about Ryu. In the current game, Ryu's fireballs are really near useless because they are slow and easily avoidable. Plus Ryu wants to TRY to spam fireballs... just let him and punish him EVERY time he think s that is a safe route to take. I am glad Ryu got upgraded though I will NEVER play the character unless I want to joke around.

I was talking about Ryu and even Akuma users that only do Hadoken/Shoryuken/Tatsu spamming keep aways...such losers... 

I hate spamming and if you guys think that Ryu's fireballs are slow and avoidable, think again. They are not easy when your whole team has no projectiles, especially if I am using Dante, Hulk, Tron Bonne, Chun Li or Wesker. The other difference is that you CAN spam special moves and assist, but you CAN'T spam hypers, not even long range hypers, so that statement is inaccurate, and that doesn't help against a cheap no skill spammer. I don't even use Amaterasu's or Deadpool's projectiles because I find them cheap. I could, but I choose not to, even against spammers. I rather earn wins with combos and not spamming. I also prefer to beat them and embarrass them up close. 

Also, I don't mind Wesker's gun/teleport move because I know how to counter it. I actually learned to do it from GLux and my friend TailSpin. It is useless against them. Anyway, I still use it, as I use his other teleports without the gun, but the difference between that and the Ryu spammers is that Wesker's gun/teleport is used to get close and set up a combo, not to keep away and stay away to spam some more. 

I just had some amazing fights the other night, which I recorded, against this guy who uses Wesker almost exactly like I do, even better I should say, and we went toe to toe. I didn't complain about it. It was a great challenge. I loved it and learned a lot from it. 

The bottom-line is, there was no need for Ryu to get buffed and Wesker to get nerfed. It only happened to please no skill people that can't figure out how to counter up close and personal. No offence to anyone, but those are my two cents...

PS. Wesker's gun doesn't go over Ryu's fireball. Believe me, I've tried...   

[Gaijin]

Wesker nerf was well deserved for many reasons and to be honest he didn't get nerfed all that bad. Not even gonna get into those reasons just yet. If you have Dante TELEPORT, If you Hulk GAMMA WAVE or super jump (your choice) or use assist to close in, Chun Li dude you have 3 jumpsand and an air dash.....33333333, If you have Tron then use assist or hyper jump or block (firebal chip isn't insane or move in closer (don't dash or air dash right into a freball, If you have Wesker TELEPORT! But seriously dude all those characters you named have ways around a hadouken. I play Haggar....frickin Hagger adn I have no projectile yet I can close the gap give Ryu the "I wish you would throw a hadouken and get piped look". I can get past it with all the characters you mentioned. I play against an extremely good Dorammamu player with my Haggar and that match is HELL for me but I can still close the gap. Yes I understand your frustration with ppl that sit back and spam but they do it to get you frustrated so that you will make a mistake. Even with all the hit and run techniques out there like for Deadpool and few others there are ways around it. Keep trying and i promise you figure it out. Amaterasu is annoying but not cheap and the same goes for Deadpool. There are holes in the games of both characters....you just have to find them and once you do then yeah its gg.

[C.R.O.M. - ManoloStyle]

Wesker nerf was well deserved for many reasons and to be honest he didn't get nerfed all that bad. Not even gonna get into those reasons just yet. If you have Dante TELEPORT, If you Hulk GAMMA WAVE or super jump (your choice) or use assist to close in, Chun Li dude you have 3 jumpsand and an air dash.....33333333, If you have Tron then use assist or hyper jump or block (firebal chip isn't insane or move in closer (don't dash or air dash right into a freball, If you have Wesker TELEPORT! But seriously dude all those characters you named have ways around a hadouken. I play Haggar....frickin Hagger adn I have no projectile yet I can close the gap give Ryu the "I wish you would throw a hadouken and get piped look". I can get past it with all the characters you mentioned. I play against an extremely good Dorammamu player with my Haggar and that match is HELL for me but I can still close the gap. Yes I understand your frustration with ppl that sit back and spam but they do it to get you frustrated so that you will make a mistake. Even with all the hit and run techniques out there like for Deadpool and few others there are ways around it. Keep trying and i promise you figure it out. Amaterasu is annoying but not cheap and the same goes for Deadpool. There are holes in the games of both characters....you just have to find them and once you do then yeah its gg.

Gaijin, I guess you didn't understand what I was trying to say. You haven't played against me yet, so I guess I understand where you are coming from.

I am not frustrated with Ryu or Akuma spammers. In fact, I rarely loose to them. I don't have a problem getting through the fireball spamming either, with any of the characters mentioned. I have tons of ways to cripple a Hadoken/Shoryuken spamming strategy. I just think it's a no skill cheap tactic that deserves no respect.

I don't spam and I hate spamming. I could stand in one place and spam Wesker's gun all day long and use Magneto's or Doom's assists to add to the spamming, but that is just plain cheap.

Do I use Wesker's teleports? Of course I do. Do I use his gun/teleport move? Yes. But it is easily countered, so I have to know when to do it. I also get up close and personal and combo my way into wins after those teleports.

Again, my complaint is that there are players that just spam their way into wins and then think they are great. I just think they are pathetic...



Post Merge: September 15, 2011, 02:41:06 PM

EDIT:

Dante's teleport is useless against skilled blocking players and Hulk's Gamma Wave needs to be charged, so those are not good strategies to counter spamming. Also, it is better to single jump dash over fireball spamming with Chun Li, than it is to Super Jump. You can close the gap quick and punish...

[Dead Phoenix]

what in the world is going on in here? I leave for a few hours and find everyone upset? *exhales* well I guess I should leave more often then, I like the chaos thats unfolding here 
Just kidding  or am I 

Here's some pics that were on eventhubs...


You all gonna complain saying that Nova is copying storm's Heavy attack? They are the same except her's has lightning

[C.R.O.M. - ManoloStyle]

what in the world is going on in here? I leave for a few hours and find everyone upset? *exhales* well I guess I should leave more often then, I like the chaos thats unfolding here 
Just kidding  or am I 

Here's some pics that were on eventhubs...


You all gonna complain saying that Nova is copying storm's Heavy attack? They are the same except her's has lightning

Another clone.?.?.?.?.? I'm gonna go BALLISTIC !!! 


PS. I don't think anybody is upset or mad here. I for one never get mad, upset or offended. We are just discussing opinions and strategies. At least, that's the way I see it... 

[Acey]

 

Nova is a Storm Clone? Oh no!

[HyperVoiceActing]

Oh just because Nova copies ONE more from Storm, he's a clone of her.

[Dead Phoenix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32oQCxA4Ng&feature=player_detailpage#t=136s


EDIT:

Seth Killian goes into detail about moves for Vergil and Iron Fist that include specials and hypers
http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/09/15/ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-vergil-commentary?objectid=113703

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/09/15/ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-iron-fist-commentary?objectid=113703

[C.R.O.M. - ManoloStyle]

Oh just because Nova copies ONE more from Storm, he's a clone of her.

YES !!! 


Just messing around... 

PS. It would suck if we get another clone though...

[Rage]

Nova is a Storm Clone? Oh no!

oh come on its just one screen shot. At least wait fire the video.

[HyperVoiceActing]

oh come on its just one screen shot. At least wait fire the video.

That's what I said.

[Gaijin]

Gaijin, I guess you didn't understand what I was trying to say. You haven't played against me yet, so I guess I understand where you are coming from.

I am not frustrated with Ryu or Akuma spammers. In fact, I rarely loose to them. I don't have a problem getting through the fireball spamming either, with any of the characters mentioned. I have tons of ways to cripple a Hadoken/Shoryuken spamming strategy. I just think it's a no skill cheap tactic that deserves no respect.

I don't spam and I hate spamming. I could stand in one place and spam Wesker's gun all day long and use Magneto's or Doom's assists to add to the spamming, but that is just plain cheap.

Do I use Wesker's teleports? Of course I do. Do I use his gun/teleport move? Yes. But it is easily countered, so I have to know when to do it. I also get up close and personal and combo my way into wins after those teleports.

Again, my complaint is that there are players that just spam their way into wins and then think they are great. I just think they are pathetic...



Post Merge: September 15, 2011, 02:41:06 PM

EDIT:

Dante's teleport is useless against skilled blocking players and Hulk's Gamma Wave needs to be charged, so those are not good strategies to counter spamming. Also, it is better to single jump dash over fireball spamming with Chun Li, than it is to Super Jump. You can close the gap quick and punish...

Actually I think I have played you. You had that Phoenix team right? I played you when I got back into playing again. And yes you are right about me misunderstanding what you were saying. I agree spamming people that do so to victory and think they are good are showing no skill but also it is a two way street. There are those that spam just to spam and there are those that play the keep away game intelligently as defensive barrier to keep you from getting in. Me personally if I know my character has extremely low health then of course I am not going to let you get in on me so I will spam to keep you away while moving myself into a better position to go on the offensive and get in a combo. If you got someone block Dante's teleport shenanigans then thats a good thing. If they are block then the ball is in your court and it is up to you to break their defense. Even though Hulk's move needs to be charge it can counter spamming ground projectiles like no other

[-Whiplash-]

and Hulk's Gamma Wave needs to be charged, so those are not good strategies to counter spamming.

Charge moves are the easiest to counter spamming (or counter with, in fact.) because you can input them immediatly after a block due to blocking counting for the charge back input.

[Space (DCL)]

So much arguing...it doesnt matter, we just know the facts already, denying proves nothing. Its marvel vs capcom you cant question it...

[Jelux Da Casual]

...Its marvel vs capcom you cant question it...

You have no idea the power of that statement.

[C.R.O.M. - ManoloStyle]

Actually I think I have played you. You had that Phoenix team right? I played you when I got back into playing again. And yes you are right about me misunderstanding what you were saying. I agree spamming people that do so to victory and think they are good are showing no skill but also it is a two way street. There are those that spam just to spam and there are those that play the keep away game intelligently as defensive barrier to keep you from getting in. Me personally if I know my character has extremely low health then of course I am not going to let you get in on me so I will spam to keep you away while moving myself into a better position to go on the offensive and get in a combo. If you got someone block Dante's teleport shenanigans then thats a good thing. If they are block then the ball is in your court and it is up to you to break their defense. Even though Hulk's move needs to be charge it can counter spamming ground projectiles like no other

I think you are mistaking me for Dead Phoenix. I don't use Phoenix and have never used her, at least...not yet...  

PS. I'm pretty sure we have never played, but I am ready to meet you in battle... 

Charge moves are the easiest to counter spamming (or counter with, in fact.) because you can input them immediatly after a block due to blocking counting for the charge back input.

Not really good against a spamming special move/assist bundle strategy, such as Dormammu's projectile, while using Doom's assist, or Magneto's Disruptor, or Arthur bundled with any of those, etc. Those are too fast to counter with charge moves. By the time you do your move, you've been spammed several times and will loose life on chip damage...  

So much arguing...it doesnt matter, we just know the facts already, denying proves nothing. Its marvel vs capcom you cant question it...

I have no idea what you were referring to by "denying". Please explain...  

You have no idea the power of that statement.

That is sooo true...  

[OrangeLightning]

Phoenix Wright hype!



Source from court-records.net

Possible gameplay footage will follow soon but only this screenshot found.

[C.R.O.M. - ManoloStyle]

Phoenix Wright hype!



Source from court-records.net

Possible gameplay footage will follow soon but only this screenshot found.

Are you referring to what it seems to be his portrait in the top right corner?