Batman: Superhero or not

[JDubbs]

Me and my friend argue about this all of the time. So i just want to get other people's opinion. I feel that he is since he could potentially be anyone in the Justice League. what do you think?

[Rage]

He a super hero. I mean come on how can he not? just to at him, his story, his trials.

Wat ur friend pont of view i want to hear how he's not.




 

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Did u know the Batman is crazier the the Joker? Batman is stronger because he able to matain his mental state. Unlike the Joker who is weak because he broken by the craziness and went insane.

[Jedah12]

I think that he is a vigilante, an urban leyend 

[JDubbs]

pretty much because batman has no super powers and because he's just a rich dude with gadgets

[Violent Ken Masters]

He's a vigilante/detective that works with super hero's.

[Rage]

pretty much because batman has no super powers and because he's just a rich dude with gadgets

so this is ur friends argument? Money is a power   Want about Iron man huh or the blue beetle? Wat about Forge? His power is to make weapons. Wat make him a super hero and not Batz. Forge need power to create, Batman doesnt.

[moonmaster1]

He's a vigilante/detective that works with super hero's.

I'll have to agree with this. batman does a selfless deed for gotham much like punisher kills criminals to protect the innocent. But what they both share in common is that their actions leads them to be hunted and resented by the people the protect.

Just look at the dark knight, regardless that the joker is offing numerous civilians, the city folk are only interested in catching batman to appease this psycho who would probably kill them anyways.

Another fine example would be the dark knight returns when Commissioner Gordon retires and the new commissioner sends waves of s.w.a.t. teams fully armed with automatics at the amusement park.

Year One features even then lieutenant Gordon sending s.w.a.t. teams in an abandoned building to catch batman.

regardless of his ties with the super hero community, if only batman existed in the DC universe, he would just be a vigilante in the worst city in probably the entire world. and considering gotham city's reputation, thats not saying much. 

[Spidermew]

Batman underwent an almost superhuman ammount of training in his youth.
Can superman step backwards into a shadow and praticly disappear? No.

Can a nomral detective take a punch to the face from martan manhunter and still manage to kick that manhunter's butt? No

Can a nomral man take down the entire justice league by himself? No

Batman Is a superhero. Hes got the physical abilitys of Captain america, he just went the hard way to build himself up to peek levels and maintain it.

You still call captain america a super hero even though he's only at the peek of human physical potental, and not beyond it.

[.:K.I.N.G:.]

batman got the brains, knowledge, wealth and tech on his side but a super hero = super powers, batman is like a gadget hero or something.
saying batman is a super hero is like saying that james bond is a super hero cus he wares a jetback occasionally and knows how to use his weapons.

[Alexziq]

Batman is a Superhero, and comparing Batman to James Bond doesnt make much sense. I gotta say thats a pretty big stretch for an analogy.

Who defined Super Powers = Superhero?

Batman is the is one half of the blueprint for a Superhero. Superman, and Batman defined that term. The question isnt wether or not Batman is a Superhero, the question is if anyone that came after them is since Batman is part of the defining of the very term.

Batman is more than a mear human with gadgets. He is one of the 4 smartest beings in the DCU making his intelligence equal with Superhuman intelligence, and his Martial arts skill is Level 4 by DCU standards which also puts him on par with Superhuman level. Batman has mentally, and physically trained for over 2 decades in every Martial art, and psychic defense imaginable. Even creating backup personalities in his mind in case of a mind erase, or attack of his mind. To say he's not Superhuman is absurd, he's the very definition of Superhuman.

If he's not a Superhero, then Wolverine, Spiderman, Daredevil, or any of the hand to hand combatants that have followed in his footsteps arent either.

[Violent Ken Masters]

Batman underwent an almost superhuman ammount of training in his youth.
Can superman step backwards into a shadow and praticly disappear? No.

Can a nomral detective take a punch to the face from martan manhunter and still manage to kick that manhunter's butt? No

Can a nomral man take down the entire justice league by himself? No

Batman Is a superhero. Hes got the physical abilitys of Captain america, he just went the hard way to build himself up to peek levels and maintain it.

You still call captain america a super hero even though he's only at the peek of human physical potental, and not beyond it.

? Captain America was called a super hero because he was pushed past the limits of an ordinary human because of the super-soldier serum. No ordinary human would have been able to survive being frozen in ice for decades.

Batman has gadgets, and talents. That doesn't make him super. It just makes him a very talented man.

Super is more on a paranormal level like aliens, dna mutation etc. etc.

The same goes for Punisher. He's very talented with assassination, he has no super powers, however his talents are what makes him formidable against his enemies. Like in the ps2 game, Jigsaw stole a Tony Stark Iron Man prototype armor, and the Punisher had no problem putting Iron-Jigsaw down.

The reason why Batman is called a detective is because he often does a lot of Sherlock Holmes detective type stuff, like examining evidence, crime scenes, etc.
Had Bruce not been born into a rich family, he most likely would have never became a hero.
I think the point of Batman's source of strength is with enough money and motivation, you can climb any mountain.

[Shingokusatsu]

Let's put it this way he's a hero but not a super hero (he doesn't have any super power)

Iron Man sucks a lot, Goldorak would smach him like a bug, he's not a super hero. the armor is everything

Forge I don't even know if he has a mutant gene. but creating weapons it's not a super power.

In fact : everything that can be done by a "normal" human in the same conditions and with the same accessories/weapon/gadget means that you have no super power.

More: Superman, Wonderwoman, Hawkgirl (etc etc) and other aliens from DC or Marvel are no superheroes in the way that they don't have more power or special powers when you compare with their respective planet.

I don't know if Thanos is the same, maybe he's more evoluated even from where he come from (but I'm not sure anymore)

Juggernault isn't a super heroe for the same reason Ironman isn't (and also there is an episode in the tv serie when a freak dicover the temple of citorax and gain all the power of xavier's brother)

I don't know what's the big debat here since all those exemple resume to : super power that "normal" people (from where you come from, like Krypton etc) don't have

[Alexziq]

? Captain America was called a super hero because he was pushed past the limits of an ordinary human because of the super-soldier serum. No ordinary human would have been able to survive being frozen in ice for decades.

Batman has gadgets, and talents. That doesn't make him super. It just makes him a very talented man.

Super is more on a paranormal level like aliens, dna mutation etc. etc.

The same goes for Punisher. He's very talented with assassination, he has no super powers, however his talents are what makes him formidable against his enemies. Like in the ps2 game, Jigsaw stole a Tony Stark Iron Man prototype armor, and the Punisher had no problem putting Iron-Jigsaw down.

The reason why Batman is called a detective is because he often does a lot of Sherlock Holmes detective type stuff, like examining evidence, crime scenes, etc.
Had Bruce not been born into a rich family, he most likely would have never became a hero.
I think the point of Batman's source of strength is with enough money and motivation, you can climb any mountain.

You guys are way off base with your definition of Superhero. Hero was defined as the Cowboys, and Pulp heros of the 20's, and 30's.

Characters like Buck Rogers, Flash Gordan, Zorro, Superman, Batman, the Phantom, and The Shadow were the definition of a far out "beyond" or "extra" (more than the normal hero) Superman was truly the only one of the 1st Superheros that had powers.

I think you guys are confusing Meta-human with Superhero.

Superhero has nothing to do with Superpowers.

[Shingokusatsu]

Batman is a Superhero, and comparing Batman to James Bond doesnt make much sense. I gotta say thats a pretty big stretch for an analogy.

Who defined Super Powers = Superhero?

Batman is the is one half of the blueprint for a Superhero. Superman, and Batman defined that term. The question isnt wether or not Batman is a Superhero, the question is if anyone that came after them is since Batman is part of the defining of the very term.

Batman is more than a mear human with gadgets. He is one of the 4 smartest beings in the DCU making his intelligence equal with Superhuman intelligence, and his Martial arts skill is Level 4 by DCU standards which also puts him on par with Superhuman level. Batman has mentally, and physically trained for over 2 decades in every Martial art, and psychic defense imaginable. Even creating backup personalities in his mind in case of a mind erase, or attack of his mind. To say he's not Superhuman is absurd, he's the very definition of Superhuman.

If he's not a Superhero, then Wolverine, Spiderman, Daredevil, or any of the hand to hand combatants that have followed in his footsteps arent either.

you are making a total confusion between hero and superhero Spiderman has superpower (6sence, can climb walls, power etc) wolverine has healing factor (the claws where added after), Daredevil well he's not a superhero.

Batman beeing intelligent has nothing to do with superpower, because any human can be more intelligent than Bruce Wayne, you won't tell me that carl lewis had super power when he was the fastest man on earth.

Beeing the best in something doesn't involve having super powers.

edit seeing your last post : what would you do with "a true hero is a dead hero" ? vision from the 20's or 30's about a definition is like telling that it can never be changed.

The majority and with a good point make a difference between heroes and super heroes with their power.
Phantom's or Zorro (it's a low standard if zorro is here) or the 4 mousqueteers (phonetical translation) as Dartagnan is no way a good exemple for superheroes because then you miss a category : the one with super power and the one without.

[Alexziq]

you are making a total confusion between hero and superhero Spiderman has superpower (6sence, can climb walls, power etc) wolverine has healing factor (the claws where added after), Daredevil well he's not a superhero.

Batman beeing intelligent has nothing to do with superpower, because any human can be more intelligent than Bruce Wayne, you won't tell me that carl lewis had super power when he was the fastest man on earth.

Beeing the best in something doesn't involve having super powers.

The term Superhero has been around longer than Superpowered Heroes. I think the only ones confused are people who believe Superhero = Superpowers.

Superpowers  = Superpowered hero

Daredevil does have powers by the way

You guys should try reading some comics Batman is more than just "the best" he has beyond normal human abilities. Thats what super is.

Post Merge: May 20, 2009, 09:43:47 AM

you are making a total confusion between hero and superhero Spiderman has superpower (6sence, can climb walls, power etc) wolverine has healing factor (the claws where added after), Daredevil well he's not a superhero.

Batman beeing intelligent has nothing to do with superpower, because any human can be more intelligent than Bruce Wayne, you won't tell me that carl lewis had super power when he was the fastest man on earth.

Beeing the best in something doesn't involve having super powers.

edit seeing your last post : what would you do with "a true hero is a dead hero" ? vision from the 20's or 30's about a definition is like telling that it can never be changed.

The majority and with a good point make a difference between heroes and super heroes with their power.
Phantom's or Zorro (it's a low standard if zorro is here) or the 4 mousqueteers (phonetical translation) as Dartagnan is no way a good exemple for superheroes because then you miss a category : the one with super power and the one without.

Huh, I didnt know that Carl Lewis put on a cape and fought crime.

The 3 Musketeers went along with the cowboys, and pulp cops, and Detective "hero" of that era.

Superman, and Batman defined what Superhero is, just because the ignorant youth of today want to redefine that based on what they think they know based off of watching cartoons, and terrible Hollywood movies is not an acceptable reason to redefine the facts of what a Superhero is.

[Shingokusatsu]

Batman is a good fighter ? well ok, the best on earth ? no
He is intelligent ? well ok, the smartest of all on earth ? no etc etc

You don't need a category with superpowered heroes because you just destroyed the sence of manking a difference between heroes and superheroes.

You have only one category : heros where you should have two of them.

And the good point is that you're trying to find super habilities to batman, like he should be superpowered one way or another.

For Daredevil, I admit I forgot if he was just blind with a lot of training or real powers (not that I'm a big fan anyway)

Don't tell me Sherlock Holmes has super powers.

Also you would tell me Batman saved billions of humans and Flash didn't save any or just one or two, Flash would be a superhero and Batman not.

Toad as the guy acting like a frog (I'm not sure about the name) is a supervilain, and Moriarty the nemesis of sherlock holmes is only a vilain, even if there's no common comparaison between their intelligence

[Alexziq]

Batman is a good fighter ? well ok, the best on earth ? no
He is intelligent ? well ok, the smartest of all on earth ? no etc etc

You don't need a category with superpowered heroes because you just destroyed the sence of manking a difference between heroes and superheroes.

You have only one category : heros where you should have two of them.

And the good point is that you're trying to find super habilities to batman, like he should be superpowered one way or another.

For Daredevil, I admit I forgot if he was just blind with a lot of training or real powers (not that I'm a big fan anyway)

Don't tell me Sherlock Holmes has super powers.

Also you would tell me Batman saved billions of humans and Flash didn't save any or just one or two, Flash would be a superhero and Batman not.

Toad as the guy acting like a frog (I'm not sure about the name) is a supervilain, and Moriarty the nemesis of sherlock holmes is only a vilain, even if there's no common comparaison between their intelligence

Sorry but your definitions of Superhero, and villain are just "incorrect".

By your definition Lex Luthor, Green Goblin, Dr. Doom and the joker are "not" Supervillians, and they are the greatest of the supervillains.

Super is something more than normal, it has nothing to do with superpowers in the Comic Book World.

Even by your definition of Superhero would exclude Dr Strange who has learned majic, and truly has no Superpowers

completely absurd, and comparing Batman to Sherlock Holmes is just laughable

[Shingokusatsu]

Well the problem seems to be that Batman universe is very poor in supervilains (maybe mister freeze ?) because Joker is only a psychopatic mind as pinguin or two-faces (like Al pacino in god father is not a super vilain)

Dr doom I don't know if his metalic "armor" confers him powers or if he can take it out, but in fact knowing that element anyone could tell if he's or not a super vilain (probably not if his intelligence is the only thing he's got for him)

You know Iron man could be a good exemple of the distinction : Stark has nothing for him (intelligence not the smartest, power etc) but Iron man can do everything batman does, and it can fly also (it because I consider it as a robot)

So any idiot in a gundam, or Goldorak would became a super hero by your definition, and I would agree that if zorro is a super hero then why not iron man.

Iron man isn't a super hero nor will be, because anybody could just do the same, same thing for Batman, anybody with the same training and the same intelligence would be automaticly a super heroe.

Fact that the Justice League has Superman (alien) Wonderwoman (also) Martian Manhunter (also) Hawkgirl (aslo) Green lantern (if my memory serves me well) is a human (I think) and Flash (human too), Batman, (human but no superpowers)
(Woaw 2 superheroes counting Flash and Green Lantern that's not a lot) make sence that heroes and superheroes coexist but there still is a difference between them.

Good people trying to save etc with super powers = super heroes
Bad people etc = super vilains
Neutral people with super powers aren't super heroes or super vilains (powers don't confer the hero or vilain denomination), what you do with your superpowers is what import.

People without super powers are just : heros = good, vilain = bad, and neutral/the rest of the world.
Cops are good but who ever said they aren't heros (saving people from death, finding missing or kidnaped people) doctors, fireman etc but even if I take your feelings about having a fireman and Batman in the same categorie : a fireman with a bat costume isn't that different than batman.

If you ask a profan about giving the name of a hero or superhero he'd probably say batman, superman, spiderman, captain america etc
but he won't ever think to Bruce Willis in die hard, or Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon, but the name of Lethal weapon should be earned buy the best at it, the one that nobody could compare with etc, as Batman then ?

Batman, only has a costume to be different from your average Hercule Poirot. The 60's series served it well, I loved seeing it, but took out his gadgets and it's over, smart and strong is only what he's got as any normal human.

Robin is the same thing : acrobat ok etc but no super powers, if I recall well there is an episode of the Super Titans about Robin beeing depressed not having any super power, he's still one of the team, but the definition is the same for everyone

Edit : who ever sayd Dr Strange isn't a super hero : if he comes from a magic land where anyone can do the same, then he isn't, but if he's a human knowing magic, then the question left is "any human could learn the magic ?" if yes, consider him as a hero, if no then he can control a power that no other normal human/beeing can, then he is gifted and is a super hero.

Good thing about the definition is that shedoesn't have to be adaptate for anyone, even not knowing the final answer for Dr. Strange the definition let you know how to respond.

In your standard, anyone would be a superhero, it doesn't make any sense : a 10 dan karateka (at least 10 or maybe 2 is enough) would become super powered because there are only a few like him on earth ? the Pape (I hope it's the same name in english) would be the holiest man on earth and then gifted like a super heroes (other religion would have the same result ?)

My last exemple isn't innocent since one of marvel's superheroes would be a crusader (forgot the name) gifted with powers (growing with his faith etc) well is he a super hero ?

[Rage]

ALEXZIQ  hit the nail on the coffin. The term super heroes dosent really have anything to do wit superpower.

Two separate term.

This is wat i was try to say by but Batz nex to Forge.   there the same but yet by wat most are saying Batz isn't and forge is cuz he a mutant but they do the same.


And for the record power are not just the ability of super strangh, flying, running. There are are other things that are considered powers; money, manipulation (Con'ing people), hand to hand combat (Mastering many styles )
Post Merge: May 20, 2009, 10:38:07 AMHero is like a fireman or soidier

Superhero is man man who save a whole world

Superpowered hero is the term er1 is using to discribe erthing which is a person or being with abitilies that far surpass thos of human potental

[mastamasta]

Batman underwent an almost superhuman ammount of training in his youth.
Can superman step backwards into a shadow and praticly disappear? No.

Can a nomral detective take a punch to the face from martan manhunter and still manage to kick that manhunter's butt? No

Can a nomral man take down the entire justice league by himself? No

Batman Is a superhero. Hes got the physical abilitys of Captain america, he just went the hard way to build himself up to peek levels and maintain it.

You still call captain america a super hero even though he's only at the peek of human physical potental, and not beyond it.

Batman is a Superhero, and comparing Batman to James Bond doesnt make much sense. I gotta say thats a pretty big stretch for an analogy.

Who defined Super Powers = Superhero?

Batman is the is one half of the blueprint for a Superhero. Superman, and Batman defined that term. The question isnt wether or not Batman is a Superhero, the question is if anyone that came after them is since Batman is part of the defining of the very term.

Batman is more than a mear human with gadgets. He is one of the 4 smartest beings in the DCU making his intelligence equal with Superhuman intelligence, and his Martial arts skill is Level 4 by DCU standards which also puts him on par with Superhuman level. Batman has mentally, and physically trained for over 2 decades in every Martial art, and psychic defense imaginable. Even creating backup personalities in his mind in case of a mind erase, or attack of his mind. To say he's not Superhuman is absurd, he's the very definition of Superhuman.

If he's not a Superhero, then Wolverine, Spiderman, Daredevil, or any of the hand to hand combatants that have followed in his footsteps arent either.

hmmm..that seems pretty superhuman to me. when you define SUPER HUMAN, all it means is beyond human..batman is a SUPER HERO, with all of his martial arts training..and basically everything that was quoted above.. SUPER POWERS would be someone with a extraordinary abililty..now i dont think batman has SUPERPOWERS say as superman would..but batman surely is SUPER HUMAN and at that note a SUPER HERO..even though he doesnt literally have SUPERPOWERS...he has SUPER HUMAN ABILITY...beyond other regular people which in actuallity MAKES him a SUPERHERO...Superman, has SUPERPOWERS w/ with EXTRAORDINARY SUPER HUMAN ABILITIES.

and not too mention EVEN IF HE WASNT A SUPERHERO...he fights with and is one of the lead memebers of the justice league...for the fact he sits at that table with them, batman being a regular man , that alone makes him worthly of being a SUPER HERO.

look at Tony Stark....he has NO Super Human Abilites...except for the fact he created an iron man suit...but when he is iron man...he has an entire arsenal in his suit..and he is part of the avengers....he isnt SUPER HUMAN but he has BEYOND HUMAN ABILITES, to do things a normal man couldnt do. and thats what makes him Super Hero..

A Super Hero is someone who is to go the extra length weither life or death to see that justic prevails.

weither he is SUPER HUMAN or not, thats another discussion.


BATMAN= SUPER HUMAN ABILITIES (NO)
BATMAN = BEYOND HUMAN ABILITES (YES)
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BATMAN = SUPER HERO.




note: i cant believe you guys are really saything batman isnt a superhero... its a shame. HE'S BATMAN FOR GOD SAKES

[Alexziq]

Well the problem seems to be that Batman universe is very poor in supervilains (maybe mister freeze ?) because Joker is only a psychopatic mind as pinguin or two-faces (like Al pacino in god father is not a super vilain)

Dr doom I don't know if his metalic "armor" confers him powers or if he can take it out, but in fact knowing that element anyone could tell if he's or not a super vilain (probably not if his intelligence is the only thing he's got for him)

You know Iron man could be a good exemple of the distinction : Stark has nothing for him (intelligence not the smartest, power etc) but Iron man can do everything batman does, and it can fly also (it because I consider it as a robot)

So any idiot in a gundam, or Goldorak would became a super hero by your definition, and I would agree that if zorro is a super hero then why not iron man.

Iron man isn't a super hero nor will be, because anybody could just do the same, same thing for Batman, anybody with the same training and the same intelligence would be automaticly a super heroe.

Fact that the Justice League has Superman (alien) Wonderwoman (also) Martian Manhunter (also) Hawkgirl (aslo) Green lantern (if my memory serves me well) is a human (I think) and Flash (human too), Batman, (human but no superpowers)
(Woaw 2 superheroes counting Flash and Green Lantern that's not a lot) make sence that heroes and superheroes coexist but there still is a difference between them.

Good people trying to save etc with super powers = super heroes
Bad people etc = super vilains
Neutral people with super powers aren't super heroes or super vilains (powers don't confer the hero or vilain denomination), what you do with your superpowers is what import.

People without super powers are just : heros = good, vilain = bad, and neutral/the rest of the world.
Cops are good but who ever said they aren't heros (saving people from death, finding missing or kidnaped people) doctors, fireman etc but even if I take your feelings about having a fireman and Batman in the same categorie : a fireman with a bat costume isn't that different than batman.

If you ask a profan about giving the name of a hero or superhero he'd probably say batman, superman, spiderman, captain america etc
but he won't ever think to Bruce Willis in die hard, or Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon, but the name of Lethal weapon should be earned buy the best at it, the one that nobody could compare with etc, as Batman then ?

Batman, only has a costume to be different from your average Hercule Poirot. The 60's series served it well, I loved seeing it, but took out his gadgets and it's over, smart and strong is only what he's got as any normal human.

Robin is the same thing : acrobat ok etc but no super powers, if I recall well there is an episode of the Super Titans about Robin beeing depressed not having any super power, he's still one of the team, but the definition is the same for everyone

Again this is your definition by opinion. Your are certainly entitled to that, but the folks at DC and Marvel have a much differant logic.

They are all Superheros and villians

There are simply non-powered Superheros, and Villians, and Superpowered superheroes, and villians.

You can argue that with your own logic all you wish, but I gotta go with the creators, and the vision they created. I'm not one to really insert my own vision into someone elses creation. I would just assume create my own universe if I wanted to do that.

[Shingokusatsu]

Who ever said that Batman has beyond etc he's just a stupid (not for the intelligence) normal human with the strength of someone training hard.

Well ? and so ? he's training hard, he's not the only one, the guy who teached him to fight is then a super hero ??

Batman, is just a rich a guy (I don't know why money has became a way to tell if your a hero or super hero), smart (not the smartest, it cames later that nobody in the DC universe could compare with him (maybe their all stupid in that universe)) with gadgets.

Please tell me that inspector gadget is a superhero

Or Steve Austin then the 6 Billion dollars man (don't fall this one is a trap) is he a superhero ?

I don't even know why it's so important, like it's eating you from the inside to imagine that hero and superheros aren't the same thing.

Nobody said it was better to be a superhero than a hero it's just a category like to say men are different than women but no one is better than the other.....it's just a fact, yayy Batman has no super powers... ok, nobody's critycizing him about that.

Blame DC, not the superhero concept

[.:K.I.N.G:.]

i don't think i'm about this confused cus i say that super hero means that he has to have super natural powers, it's my opinion.

putting a cape and fighting crime doesn't mean that he is a super here, being smart doesn't make batman a super hero as well as knowing martial arts, using gadgets or making rescues, maybe a hero/vigilante like the punisher but not a super hero.

what can batman do that a normal human can't do giving the same circumstances and the stuff that batman have at his disposal?
for example, superman is called superman cus he has super human powers and beyond.
super man wouldn't be super without his powers now would he?

as for bond, bond is like the bruce wayne character but uses his intelligence, martial arts and gadgets as himself without an alter ego like batman, seriously it's not that different....if batman is a super hero then bond is as well, instead of being a well trained agent.

[Alexziq]

Who ever said that Batman has beyond etc he's just a stupid (not for the intelligence) normal human with the strength of someone training hard.

Well ? and so ? he's training hard, he's not the only one, the guy who teached him to fight is then a super hero ??

Batman, is just a rich a guy (I don't know why money has became a way to tell if your a hero or super hero), smart (not the smartest, it cames later that nobody in the DC universe could compare with him (maybe their all stupid in that universe)) with gadgets.

Please tell me that inspector gadget is a superhero

Or Steve Austin then the 6 Billion dollars man (don't fall this one is a trap) is he a superhero ?

I don't even know why it's so important, like it's eating you from the inside to imagine that hero and superheros aren't the same thing.

Nobody said it was better to be a superhero than a hero it's just a category like to say men are different than women but no one is better than the other.....it's just a fact, yayy Batman has no super powers... ok, nobody's critycizing him about that.

Blame DC, not the superhero concept

Theres no reason to blame DC, DC set the definition of a Superhero you are simply choosing to argue with those that defined the term.

You have incorrectly decided to believe that Superhero means having super powers when it clearly has nothing to do with it.

Unless you created the term I dont see how you can argue it, but thats your freedom.

Post Merge: May 20, 2009, 11:21:51 AM

i don't think i'm about this confused cus i say that super hero means that he has to have super natural powers, it's my opinion.

putting a cape and fighting crime doesn't mean that he is a super here, being smart doesn't make batman a super hero as well as knowing martial arts, using gadgets or making rescues, maybe a hero/vigilante like the punisher but not a super hero.

what can batman do that a normal human can't do giving the same circumstances and the stuff that batman have at his disposal?
for example, superman is called superman cus he has super human powers and beyond.
super man wouldn't be super without his powers now would he?

as for bond, bond is like the bruce wayne character but uses his intelligence, martial arts and gadgets as himself without an alter ego like batman, seriously it's not that different....if batman is a super hero then bond is as well, instead of being a well trained agent.

Again youre arguing that Superhero means Superpowers when it does not.

When someone says "superficial", or "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"  do you think that means super powers? Does the Super Bowl have powers? When the U.S. And Russia were called the "Super Powers" Were they 2 Superhuman countries?

[Shingokusatsu]

Again this is your definition by opinion. Your are certainly entitled to that, but the folks at DC and Marvel have a much differant logic.

They are all Superheros and villians

There are simply non-powered Superheros, and Villians, and Superpowered superheroes, and villians.

You can argue that with your own logic all you wish, but I gotta go with the creators, and the vision they created. I'm not one to really insert my own vision into someone elses creation. I would just assume create my own universe if I wanted to do that.

I made a special post for this one because a concept you (the you beeing the creator of the concept) created eludes you.

Let's take a good example about Hokuto no ken, In the begining the autors has no idea he would have to continue with the story.
You have the end beeing Kenshiro beating Shin, but after that he continue and you have a story about Raoh and Toki beeing brothers and fighting in front of their family tombs. well ok for me, after that you have what the fans call ken2, Ken goes to the island from where Raoh, Toki and Him left where they where child, so much for the family tomb and for Kenshiro joining by himself Ryuken.

Now with this silly example you can see one point, it's not because you create something that you are right about it.

As for Marvel the first ones had super powers so it didn't matter super ou just heroes.
As for DC most of them aren't even human, and the Detective Comics book, didn't claim having somethig to do with super beings ou super heroes when they made the genesis of Batman, little child going to the theatre with his parents, they are killed by a criminal etc etc.

He fight evil etc etc, then out of nowhere, oh he's just so smart, and oh nobody's fight better than him, he can destroy a 100 tonnes like the Hulk (or maybe he can't but I'm sure he could, and he's so special that the creators will decide it for him)

Once you've create something you can't decide what's correct or not about it if you don't refer to the rules you made.
Well ther is no codification about what is or isn't a superhero, and even if the creators made people for their story they never implemented what it was like saying "do you think the kingpin is a supervilain" before making him and then realizing he has no super power and deciding it's a supervilain anyway, they just created him. for the rest he is or he isn't gifted with super power.

If your familiar with jewish studying (like two good friends arguing endlessly about a question, each one giving new arguments and counter arguments) then you'll know that authority's argument like the creator decide like this never justify an answer or prooves your right.

The marvel and DC creators could be wrong, so only your opinion and arguments count.

I don't think one of us will change his opinion, it doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion, and I'll try my best to convince you without animosity but with passion/enthousiasm.

The debat is beniffiting about reading and trying to apprehend new ideas.

Then about this one, you're better than just protecting yourself with the creators first ideas/will.

The fan and the men/women who think about those notion are the one to decide what's wrong or correct about a concept.