People who's works are/aren't open source!

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

Lets be real, as long as it isn't your character that isn't being edited/sprites being used etc... You wouldn't care not one bit.If its something you find awesome and you like the way it plays, your going to download it and keep it. And I know this for a fact....

Here's my points on the matter (Only read if you want to)

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Hypothetically speaking If I were to take Taskmaster's sprites and remake him and make him play more awesome than he ever did, No one except the author and some of his lackies would have a problem with it... People at the end of the day would still download it, play with it and love it...

Now of course, I would give credit, but that's just about it.... I'm not about to try to break a language barrier and etc just to get permission on something that I might not ever get. Even if there wasn't I still would just give credit because the author has already said that he isn't open source which means my chances of the author giving the ok very, very, slim and I feel like as long as I give you credit, then things should be good. Especially if I have let it be known publicly that I used some of your work.

Not too mention some people would like to see some of these characters have different gameplay, if everyone is closed sourced, this makes it hard to make that happen, especially if the original gameplay on the character isn't good at all. (Not dropping character names, but I'm sure you guys know plenty of characters that fit this example)

But still I respect the author enough not to release anything until long after the version of their character has been released.

People who make PC games could say the same about those who make mods of their stuff. They could be get all angry and rant about how unfair it is, but they knowingly know that once they release it on the internet its out of their hands so they leave it be.

Its more than credit for some of the people who don't want their stuff open source obviously. But like a double edge sword I still can see why, because some put a lot of hard work into making their creations for mugen. But I do feel like, if we were so closed sourced like so many want to be, then we wouldnt have a lot of characters in mugen to begin with.

What if these companies had decided long time ago that their stuff was closed source and had a way to make it so that us using anything they made was illegal?....

Please remember a lot of these characters made by authors here in mugen have used sprites from another game companies sprites to begin with. So I feel its kinda hypocritical to tell others they have to ask for permission when you didn't ask the company that made the original sprites for their permission to rip or use parts from their creations to make your own.

Like I feel, as long as you've given credit, let it be known that you used something from another creator, and at least wait awhile till after the original creator has released it, I feel like that's more than enough respect given and shown towards the creator....

[Skeletor-EX]

I'm more than positive that NONE of you creators asked Capcom, SNK, etc to rip ANY of their sprites from their respective games. The very fact that you've even done that means you don't even follow your own rule! I'm sure they never meant for any of YOU to take their work and edit it as you please, yet they don't seem to mind much at all. Cause if they did, we'd all be shut down, or they'd be trying to shut things down. Like I said in my earlier comment, you people are fooling yourselves. Take credit where credit is due. Once you put something on the web, it's no longer really yours. It's the worlds... That is unless you have a patent on it. Which none of you do... smh... Ridiculous...

[Arkady]

Vaild points here race, you most probably right regarding who actually does care when it comes to whoever gets the work remade by another, but then again there isn't an actual site or persons that go around policing the content, on behalf of the original author

the discussion of open source gets brought up, generally when there's a rejection in permission somewhere in the world of the mugen communities,
I find it's really not a major issue, if I can't work on something,my example is blob by mythsoftyboo, and magus, asked for permission, magus said no, coz still working it, I'm cool with that, doesn't mean I'll go ahead to do it, just coz the internets accessible enough to get what I need, to do it regardless, I would rather ask later on with a sort of blessing you might say, hell it might be more updated, of the author wishes to hand it off, but you would never know if you never bother to at least contact for permission in the first place, many instances I've come across situations just like that, not all my work is started by me.

I know the issue is that there is creators who don't want their work edited period, and like it has been stayed many times over on these threads, I kinda see i, there F'all that can be done about it, many creators wonder why they should bother releasing their work, if its going to fiddled with improvements or not, I'm not going to say I'm one of them, but I'd like to think that there are creators that, would like to know what's happening to their own original creation that they worked hard to create for the general public to enjoy, regardless whether they give their blessing, maybe like r@ce pointed out a certain time passes, a full 2-3 years and it can be (as capcoms creations for an, example) automatic open source, I see that as fair game, its happened regardless of permissions and if updates were going to done, the author would have done them by then, I don't see a problem, but as I said I rather still like to know, not for permissions sake just more for any extra help or added work yet to be implemented, its great to see others improve on past works, ad long as it is actually an improvement

some of you folks are really harping on with the whole rule sux, but its not a big deal, be who you be, if you wanna create something do it, just pay respects, or "credits" but don't hide behind internet's my free right to do whatever, and preach about it, everyone works differently, and they have different views on creation, every 3-6 months there's some discussion about "permissions"  just do or don't, make up up your own mind on that, and create, don't preach, and keep off my wave (my favorite sound garden song ....religion, beliefs whatever, keep off my wave)

[Skeletor-EX]

So... I see you haven't addressed my last comment yet Mr. Arch. Hmm... What can you really say against it? I'd love to know...

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

Oh don't worry, because no matter what, I'm going to do what I do best. And I'm not asking unless I feel the need to ask for permission.

Plus I never took all of this stuff seriously anyway because of what I just said and believe in.

This whole thread was made to begin with because others thought it was big deal to them to let people know who is closed source and who isn't.

Not saying you were talking directly to me nor am I taking it like you were but just to let everyone know I wasn't preaching,  I was merely sharing my views on the matter is all because others were. Besides others who were against open source were doing just as much "Preaching" as others.

I felt as though I had to prove my points as well, so that is why I said read if you want to

And I didn't realize we were on anyone's wave, I thought this was merely a discussion.

Just sayin....

[Arkady]

nah Race I wasn't talking about yourself, was talking in general when it come to these threads that get hi-jacked by the rebellious rule-haters I see It on most sites I visit, but like I see most of the points that brought up, and yeah they make sense, and proves hypocrits of everyone who get upset when they get their work used (or abused) all i'm sayin is pretty much what you said already, do whatever you feel is best, its really the work your crediting not the creator

skelotor-X not sure what you your asking me, maybe quote it so I can address it, not sure I need to though, i'm not really pro or con this discussion , i'm just bored and having a "lando-esk" essay-a-thon to pass the time

[Skeletor-EX]

nah Race I wasn't talking about yourself, was talking in general when it come to these threads that get hi-jacked by the rebellious rule-haters I see It on most sites I visit, but like I see most of the points that brought up, and yeah they make sense, and proves hypocrits of everyone who get upset when they get their work used (or abused) all i'm sayin is pretty much what you said already, do whatever you feel is best, its really the work your crediting not the creator

skelotor-X not sure what you your asking me, maybe quote it so I can address it, not sure I need to though, i'm not really pro or con this discussion , i'm just bored and having a "lando-esk" essay-a-thon to pass the time

Scroll up to my previous comments about not asking permission to use any of Capcom's or SNK's sprites. It's all there...

[Arkady]

i'm pretty sure that's all "open-source" so I still don't get what you want me to answer

listen i'm not looking for a debate, I just viewed my opinion, as did everyone else, I never made the rules, but I respect them, even if it has its flaws, regardless, I know I can make creations without needing to use someone's else's work now, and if I don't I'll ask purely to show respect to the work.
i'm really not out to quote scripture or create a tablet of commandments, do whatever tickles your fancy and have fun, just be respectful to those who don't "believe" in the same thing, otherwise we'll once again create another mugen religion debate

[Skeletor-EX]

i'm pretty sure that's all "open-source" so I still don't get what you want me to answer

listen i'm not looking for a debate, I just viewed my opinion, as did everyone else, I never made the rules, but I respect them, even if it has its flaws, regardless, I know I can make creations without needing to use someone's else's work now, and if I don't I'll ask purely to show respect to the work.
i'm really not out to quote scripture or create a tablet of commandments, do whatever tickles your fancy and have fun, just be respectful to those who don't "believe" in the same thing, otherwise we'll once again create another mugen religion debate

No debate necessary! It is what it is. I don't recall any of those companies saying their sprites were open source, yet people still rip them and use them anyway. All I'm saying asking is, how can these guys tell others not to use their works without permission, when they themselves are using the works of these companies? It's all nonsense. Respect is given once the original author is credited. Unless these creators start asking these companies for permission, they're hypocrites. And shouldn't be trying to enforce their rules upon the rest of us...

[Arkady]

cool, looks like you've answered your own question, but as for the rule, it exists, either you can follow it and throw a temper tantrum every time someone posts about how fkd it is, or just don't follow it  and do whatever you believe, no ones gonna try and convert you into believing otherwise, through an mugen post thread, I see no "point" making points, its redundant, and getting boring

[Skeletor-EX]

Temper tantrum?? This is amusing to me! Continue following these hypocritical rules. my point's been made, and is a fact that cannot be challenged... Peace!

[O Ilusionista]

I'm more than positive that NONE of you creators asked Capcom, SNK, etc to rip ANY of their sprites from their respective games.

And here we go again. I keep hearing this kind of comment for about 14 years. And it keeps poping up...

GUYS, this topic is meant to be a record of who is opensource and who is not opensource on THIS forum.
Please, stop derailing the topic. Specially with things like FORUM X versus FORUM Y.

The topic was splitted.

[Arkady]

geez O, 14 years and your still here, gotta love mugen

[O Ilusionista]

in fact, it will be 15 years at december

[Arkady]

Awesome stuff

[~Hale "R@CE" Caesar~]

I can't believe all the posts got deleted......SMH

It wasn't even necessary, but then again... I'm not even surprised....

[Rage]

I can't believe all the posts got deleted......SMH

It wasn't even necessary, but then again... I'm not even surprised....

Are you freaking serious!

Edit: Locking thread. Ill fix it.

Edit: thread repaired.

[Rage]

So lets get back to the question that sparked this derailment since forum runs under the permission rule.

Last I checked, Xboy's sprites are open sourced, no?
Don't recall the source of this..but I'm not trying to spread misinformation.

So does anyone know? To my knowledge X is open to letting other use his work but contact letting him know of your usage. Its been a year or more since i read this some where so you probably want a better source of information. I dont travel outside imt much over the past few years.

[-Whiplash-]

I guess Since I've made two things and working on a third right now I might as well state it.

My code is open source 100% I don't really care if you edit it or whatever, but it'd be nice if you could tell me.

My sprites on the other hand, are not. You will have to ask me.

[DEMONKAI]

Any sprite edits ive done are fine to use for a base. It doesnt put food on my table at home or money in my pocket. BUT just be respectful to give credits to where the source came from. its common sense and a nice gesture.

Codes? nah hell no. have at it. ive come up with code methods on my own but im not big on claiming that stuff. I learned 85% of that stuff from various authors anyway. so it would be bright for anyone to learn from each other anyway they can with coding stuff