Kid in Alabama sets fire to dog.

[Saber Alter]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20649440/

[Violent Ken Masters]

Fail!

[TrunkJunky]

Damn Southern kids.

Just how bored does a teen have to be to think that's fun. Hell, I'd light that teenage bastard on fire and tell him to run around like that poor dog.

[SiddtheKidd]

another reason @$$ whoopin's are needed. come on future generation you have those kids better have a leather belt along the way.

[Violent Ken Masters]

another reason @$$ whoopin's are needed. come on future generation you have those kids better have a leather belt along the way.

Maybe he did this because of @ss whoopins, My parents don't believe in child abuse, and I'm against animal cruelty. If nothing, Violence just makes more violence.

[TrunkJunky]

"What goes around comes around."
"An eye for an eye."

If logic serves correctly, when violence makes more violence, that extra violence should be directed at the one who caused the initial violence.

[Jay_High19]

another reason @$$ whoopin's are needed. come on future generation you have those kids better have a leather belt along the way.

Maybe he did this because of @ss whoopins, My parents don't believe in child abuse, and I'm against animal cruelty. If nothing, Violence just makes more violence.

Completely disagree. It's the kids who don't get @$$ whoopins that blow stuff up and tell their parents to STFU. A good whoopin is what keeps the kids in line. Your parents whoopin your @$$ because you set the dog on fire is not abuse. Them whoopin your @$$ because they've had too many drinks at the bar however is abuse. But I'm against animal cruelty too, Not cool  .

[SiddtheKidd]

another reason @$$ whoopin's are needed. come on future generation you have those kids better have a leather belt along the way.

Maybe he did this because of @ss whoopins, My parents don't believe in child abuse, and I'm against animal cruelty. If nothing, Violence just makes more violence.

to tell you the truth if it's used as punishment and isnt taken too far i really don't see it as abuse. prime example i used to get them when i did something wrong and now i know how to respect people even if i dont get it back but my parents stopped with my sister and brother and so far they've done much worse than i have and they're not even close to high school. im not saying its the right thing to do but i think parents let kids get away with too much these days, which results in crap like this.

[Violent Ken Masters]

another reason @$$ whoopin's are needed. come on future generation you have those kids better have a leather belt along the way.

Maybe he did this because of @ss whoopins, My parents don't believe in child abuse, and I'm against animal cruelty. If nothing, Violence just makes more violence.

Completely disagree. It's the kids who don't get @$$ whoopins that blow stuff up and tell their parents to STFU. A good whoopin is what keeps the kids in line. Your parents whoopin your @$$ because you set the dog on fire is not abuse. Them whoopin your @$$ because they've had too many drinks at the bar however is abuse. But I'm against animal cruelty too, Not cool  .

Sorry man, but I know kids that get beat daily, and they're not exactly what I'd call friendly. People that I know that don't get beat up by their parents are a lot less hostile then the ones that I know that do get beat up by their parents, and half of those kids are satanists too. There's nothing more that I hate then people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

[SiddtheKidd]

another reason @$$ whoopin's are needed. come on future generation you have those kids better have a leather belt along the way.

Maybe he did this because of @ss whoopins, My parents don't believe in child abuse, and I'm against animal cruelty. If nothing, Violence just makes more violence.

Completely disagree. It's the kids who don't get @$$ whoopins that blow stuff up and tell their parents to STFU. A good whoopin is what keeps the kids in line. Your parents whoopin your @$$ because you set the dog on fire is not abuse. Them whoopin your @$$ because they've had too many drinks at the bar however is abuse. But I'm against animal cruelty too, Not cool  .

Sorry man, but I know kids that get beat daily, and they're not exactly what I'd call friendly. People that I know that don't get beat up by their parents are a lot less hostile then the ones that I know that do get beat up by their parents, and half of those kids are satanists too. There's nothing more that I hate then people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

don't get me wrong i know plenty of kids like that but they get abused for just plain nothing. imo theres a line between abuse and disipline and something like this seems like there wasnt enough disipline

[Violent Ken Masters]

another reason @$$ whoopin's are needed. come on future generation you have those kids better have a leather belt along the way.

Maybe he did this because of @ss whoopins, My parents don't believe in child abuse, and I'm against animal cruelty. If nothing, Violence just makes more violence.

Completely disagree. It's the kids who don't get @$$ whoopins that blow stuff up and tell their parents to STFU. A good whoopin is what keeps the kids in line. Your parents whoopin your @$$ because you set the dog on fire is not abuse. Them whoopin your @$$ because they've had too many drinks at the bar however is abuse. But I'm against animal cruelty too, Not cool  .

Sorry man, but I know kids that get beat daily, and they're not exactly what I'd call friendly. People that I know that don't get beat up by their parents are a lot less hostile then the ones that I know that do get beat up by their parents, and half of those kids are satanists too. There's nothing more that I hate then people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

don't get me wrong i know plenty of kids like that but they get abused for just plain nothing. imo theres a line between abuse and disipline and something like this seems like there wasnt enough disipline

Well if you ask me I'd have to say the best way to have discipline is through a karate program. My friends that had been in karate are actually some of the nicest people.

[xPreatorianx]

a good ol @ss whipping is far from abuse and cruelty m8 it will not turn your child into a satanist. One or 2 smacks wont turn him 10 to 20 daily will.

[Jay_High19]

people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

So is a cop beating the crap out of somebody because they were trying to harm others the same as a bully at school beating up a kid because he's gay or fat.

[Violent Ken Masters]

a good ol @ss whipping is far from abuse and cruelty m8 it will not turn your child into a satanist. One or 2 smacks wont turn him 10 to 20 daily will.

It's still wrong. I mean there's probably at least 50 alternatives to disciplining kids. I think it's retarded when there's a lil kid being slapped for something stupid, especially when the person that's doing it is some big brute. Some of you guys that say that those pranks on the computers where something pops up and screams and makes the kid cry is just wrong, well I say slapping the kid is the same or even worse, I mean hell, when my dad beated me I spent every night and even my birthday wishes, wishing he was dead because he brought my mother and I nothing but pain and agony. I think he killed himself because he had planned to kill my mother and I.  If you want to discipline the kid then just ground them so that they can't have fun. When a kid gets whipped, all they think is violence, which is why there's so many murders, and bullies out there. All it takes is one slap to teach a kid violence. I saw in parenting class, there was this movie we watched, and these parents who whipped their kids were only getting worse so they had to get a nanny, and the oldest daughter which was like 7 was bullying her younger sisters which were like 3 year olds. The nanny taught the parents how to correctly discipline the kids, and they were more behaved.

[Violent Ken Masters]

people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

So is a cop beating the crap out of somebody because they were trying to harm others the same as a bully at school beating up a kid because he's gay or fat.

That's totally different, A cop that's beating somebody that's hostile is just trying to save lives, however kids don't have an initiative to kill others unless they learn it from one of their parents. Kids think a simple way.

Monkey See Monkey do.

[Jay_High19]

people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

So is a cop beating the crap out of somebody because they were trying to harm others the same as a bully at school beating up a kid because he's gay or fat.

That's totally different, A cop that's beating somebody that's hostile is just trying to save lives, however kids don't have an initiative to kill others unless they learn it from one of their parents. Kids think a simple way.

Monkey See Monkey do.

Well, I'm not a monkey. If I'm playing GTA and pump somebody with an AK, I'm not gonna do that in real life because thanks to my dad's leather belt whoopin my @$$ as a kid. I know right from wrong and that there are gonna be consequences. A grounding isn't gonna do anything, There were days when I wished I could've stayed in my room all day. The kids who become murderers are the ones who don't get punished for doing wrong. When a father is beating a mother like you said, well then it becomes a WHOLE different story.

Poor dog 

[malisiousjoe]

Of course this all starts with educating your kids and getting envolved in their lives. We are all too busy these days. Take a few and tell them what is wrong and right. Their has to be some accountability for wrong action. Oh...and a good spanking never hurt anyone. Their is a difference from physical discipline and abuse. The one think I hate is little Johnny getting his way. His Mom/Dad says to him,"Now Johnny don't do this," while Johnny runs havoc at the grocery store. I'm like grab his @$$ and give him a good spanking! I was disciplined that way and I'm glad my parents did it!

[Violent Ken Masters]

people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

So is a cop beating the crap out of somebody because they were trying to harm others the same as a bully at school beating up a kid because he's gay or fat.

That's totally different, A cop that's beating somebody that's hostile is just trying to save lives, however kids don't have an initiative to kill others unless they learn it from one of their parents. Kids think a simple way.

Monkey See Monkey do.

Well, I'm not a monkey. If I'm playing GTA and pump somebody with an AK, I'm not gonna do that in real life because thanks to my dad's leather belt whoopin my @$$ as a kid. I know right from wrong and that there are gonna be consequences. A grounding isn't gonna do anything, There were days when I wished I could've stayed in my room all day. The kids who become murderers are the ones who don't get punished for doing wrong. When a father is beating a mother like you said, well then it becomes a WHOLE different story.

Poor dog 

It really depends on the kid though. Like I said, in that movie in parenting class, that one girl was only slapping her sisters because that's what her parents where doing to her. My dad wouldn't let me play mortal kombat because he thought it was violent, but I was the person in the family that was perfectly calm while he was all homicidal and poop. When my mom was in control and disciplined me by grounding me, I was a lot less violent  and more behaved then how my dad was disciplining me. My dad never used the belt but his fists and strength were beyond belief, although if he did use the belt, he'd see his belt the next day in pieces with a note saying treat people how you want to be treated. Also Michigan is way higher in the crime rate then oh say California, which is a southern state and a lot of people in Cali are spoiled rotten. There was a hostage situation at my school last year because this one kid's phone got stolen, I however had my psp stolen 2 times and my phone stolen once, and each time I handled the situation pretty well, and my mom doesn't believe hurting younglings at all.

[Jay_High19]

people beating up their own family. Bullying is bullying no matter how you say it.

So is a cop beating the crap out of somebody because they were trying to harm others the same as a bully at school beating up a kid because he's gay or fat.

That's totally different, A cop that's beating somebody that's hostile is just trying to save lives, however kids don't have an initiative to kill others unless they learn it from one of their parents. Kids think a simple way.

Monkey See Monkey do.

Well, I'm not a monkey. If I'm playing GTA and pump somebody with an AK, I'm not gonna do that in real life because thanks to my dad's leather belt whoopin my @$$ as a kid. I know right from wrong and that there are gonna be consequences. A grounding isn't gonna do anything, There were days when I wished I could've stayed in my room all day. The kids who become murderers are the ones who don't get punished for doing wrong. When a father is beating a mother like you said, well then it becomes a WHOLE different story.

Poor dog 

It really depends on the kid though. Like I said, in that movie in parenting class, that one girl was only slapping her sisters because that's what her parents where doing to her. My dad wouldn't let me play mortal kombat because he thought it was violent, but I was the person in the family that was perfectly calm while he was all homicidal and poop. When my mom was in control and disciplined me by grounding me, I was a lot less violent  and more behaved then how my dad was disciplining me. My dad never used the belt but his fists and strength were beyond belief, although if he did use the belt, he'd see his belt the next day in pieces with a note saying treat people how you want to be treated. Also Michigan is way higher in the crime rate then oh say California, which is a southern state and a lot of people in Cali are spoiled rotten. There was a hostage situation at my school last year because this one kid's phone got stolen, I however had my psp stolen 2 times and my phone stolen once, and each time I handled the situation pretty well, and my mom doesn't believe hurting younglings at all.

California is definitely not a Southern state. I live in Michigan too. The crime rate is only high here because of Detroit. People think Detroit is scary, but I would lose my mind if I were to live in Chesterfield. Here in Detroit you may get robbed or shot or something but out in Macomb, that's were you get chopped up by Freddy and Jason. But even though I'm sure nobody wants to mention it culture definitely plays a part in it. I rarely ever see any goths or satanists here. The murderers and them are never from heavily populated places or urban areas.

[Ryu # 20]

I grew up on a caring family, and I was never beaten up/abused in any way. I grew up playing fighting games, my brother grew up playing shooting games, and we got enough brains enough to know it's not real life. However, I used to get bullied at school, but one day I pulled off some fighting moves facing 4 guys at the same time, and I got respected BIG TIME after that.

I think kid violence causes are relative. In my opinion, it mostly depends on family environment. Here in Argentina, we got about 6-year-old little kids being robbers and murderers due to their family education. Not to mention drug addiction cases. And it's not even drugs like marihuana/crack/cocaine. Situation's even WORSE. They inhale glue, gasoline, and highly toxic material you can find in any hardware store.

However, there are some crazy-@$$ed guys who are capable of snapping. Dimebag Darrel from Pantera got killed by one of those.

And finally, there are some @$$holes who just think they're cool by doing s*** like that guy does in the video. D***, in my brother's class they burnt a window curtain with a lighter just because, and they're people with "normal" families.

I'm against beating up kids. Grounding may be the best possible choice.

I believe parents who beat their kids must be locked up, those who abuse them must be beat up (men by men, women by women), and wifebeaters must be SLAUGHTERED! But due to the fact that I'm a law student, I know that is impossible due to human right policies and everything.

[eg6gsr]

ok one....this kid needs to get adult charges brought on him for doing this cause that is just sick and younger children have been put on adult charges for less

two...beating your kids and punishing them are two diffrent things just beating on your kids cause you have a bad day is wrong no matter what but spankings and using the belt when the kid is in the wrong needs to be ok(cause time out does not seem to work)....me I have had my fair share of time under the the leather whip of doom but it was always for something I did wrong(lying,breaking things,yelling/cursing at teachers) and yes there are some people that take it to far but that does not make it wrong to use it as punishment cause had my parents just used the time out method on me I would be a bad seed...and yes I know not all children are not like this but some and and the ones that are need it(yelling at mom in public because she will not buy your favorite candy is one of those moments)

[Angsty Meier Link]

I think VKM and Jay and the others are all right in a lot of respects. And eg6gsr hit it square.
There is a right time and a wrong time. And there is crossing the line. I almost became one of those "evil" kids VKM is talkin about, because my dad sometimes crossed the line. But he saw that he wasn't doing good by what he did, and threw my butt in Tae Kwon Do classes. I mean don't get me wrong, I did some REALLY bad things as a kid... and I'm lucky my dad punished me hard for them. I was out of control, and now I'm responsible. Did he go to far? Sometimes... but I don't hate him for it. Angers a tough emotion to control, especially when you see your kid becoming a deliquent. I know he was sorry for the times he went too far. He didn't say "sorry" much at all, but his actions spoke it. Like sending me to martial arts class, a way for me to vent physical frustration wihle learning mental discipline. Martial arts still helps me control my... bad temper (I'll leave it at that ).

There are kids who get beat horribly that become monsters, and some that get beat horribly and become wet blankets. There's some kids who have no strong discipline that become rotten little bastards, and some with no strong discipline that become model citizens. Like someone said, its up to the person too. Theres so many factors that can contribute to the downfall or ascension of a child or young adult.

But obviously physical abuse of any level thats not warranted is 100% wrong and f***ed up.

Basically, you have to see what works with a kid. If he's out rasing hell, and everything you tell him just goes in one ear and out the other, its time to smack his little @$$ around a bit. Thats what I think at least... And then if that has a noticable negative effect on him... well... you gotta figure something else out. No matter how you look at it, its not easy raising a child...

As for the kid who lit the dog on fire, I think you all know how I feel about that stuff. Can't say I know what the punishment should be because I don't know the kid. Depends how much hope there is for him to change.