Green Goblin - MvC: EoH Version

[Sgt Hartsock]

well you gotta aim a little better, if you're airborne, use the kick buttons, especially the strongest kick, that's a diagonal throw

[Darkmanx_429]

Wicked Awesome!

[Acey]

his pumpkin throw hyper (thats just i call it) is kind of off because he throws them over the head of almost every character making the hyper from far net probably about 2-4 hits at the most. you cant link his lk to his mk. you can link his lk to his hk though. his aerial needs a little tweeking and his laser hyper is a good thought but for now its just a plain laser shot but i do liek him better than any of the other versions of him

I would love to see a video of GG's Pumpkins Bomb hyper only doing 2 hits...

[Gaijin]

a further look into it late last night revealed that my mugen only counted it as two hits but it was actually more. i guess its cuz they didnt hit the opponent in succession and thats why the opponent was able to block.

[Darkgargos]

I just want to mention and give thanks to Sgt Hartsock for ripping the sounds for Green Goblin as he wouldn't be as lively without them. I think some of us may have forgotten about his contribution to this wonderful character, I may have forgotten myself to put that in my post...so I give my apologies to Sgt Hartsock and thank him for his contribution 

[cybaster]

- Infinite priority on many basic moves.
- Supers give back power.
- His SP has its damage truncated to integer.
- His Punch throw gives back a debug text.
- Pumpkin bombs have KOF graphics, you should change the explosions to MVC ones.
- A little envshake on Pumpkin bomb would be nice too.
- The shadows during laser don't look nice. They could be removed.
- The hitpauses for the laser are very odd, I think they should be increased. Plus, I believe strong version could deal 2 or 3 hits maybe.
- The line deals non-integer damage, which results in debug text.
- Redo the CLSN for "the line" : you can see the CLSN1 is really above the line itself.
- Glider Drive has a badly placed hitspark, and the sound is so weak the move looks like it's weak. Changing the hitpauses may also help to make it visually more appealing.
- If Goblin Wire misses, it leads to a debug text : in state 3200, changed to invalid animelem 9 within action 1107.
- If Goblin Wire touches, then you have another type of debug flood because of improper parameter values : in state 3210, negative guard.p2slidetime, negative guard.p2ctrltime, ground.p2slidetime, airguard.p2ctrltime (and maybe others, didn't check them all...)
- Why does Green Goblin fall back on the ground after performing any move ? Shouldn't he stay in the air ?
- Basic MP and SP could have the shadow on their effects removed.

[Acey]

- Infinite priority on many basic moves.
- Supers give back power.
- His SP has its damage truncated to integer.
- His Punch throw gives back a debug text.
- Pumpkin bombs have KOF graphics, you should change the explosions to MVC ones.
- A little envshake on Pumpkin bomb would be nice too.
- The shadows during laser don't look nice. They could be removed.
- The hitpauses for the laser are very odd, I think they should be increased. Plus, I believe strong version could deal 2 or 3 hits maybe.
- The line deals non-integer damage, which results in debug text.
- Redo the CLSN for "the line" : you can see the CLSN1 is really above the line itself.
- Glider Drive has a badly placed hitspark, and the sound is so weak the move looks like it's weak. Changing the hitpauses may also help to make it visually more appealing.
- If Goblin Wire misses, it leads to a debug text : in state 3200, changed to invalid animelem 9 within action 1107.
- If Goblin Wire touches, then you have another type of debug flood because of improper parameter values : in state 3210, negative guard.p2slidetime, negative guard.p2ctrltime, ground.p2slidetime, airguard.p2ctrltime (and maybe others, didn't check them all...)
- Why does Green Goblin fall back on the ground after performing any move ? Shouldn't he stay in the air ?
- Basic MP and SP could have the shadow on their effects removed.

Well, I have grown fond of those SNK explosions. More importantly, the debug errors, especially the once involving integers truncating aren't something I worry about. Do you think I should be? As for falling to the ground following an attack, these are to avoid unfair permanent air time. Most importantly, the supers give back about 10% of the hyper gauge, that definately needs to be fixed. As for the Infinity priority, I've been playing with the idea against a variety of characters by various creators and I have not been able to locate a real priority issue due to collission boxes but I am in no way compelted testing the potential issue.

[cybaster]

Concerning all the debug text, they are not important issues regarding gameplay in general (especially inger values), but just for the sake of doing a clean coding, respecting the Mugen standards.

Concerning infinite priority, I guess you should test your characters against KFM or even POTS' characters.
Put them one in front of the other, and make each one perform a basic move at the same time (a single punch or kick). See who gets hit and who doesn't. I haven't tested myself, but I already know the result knowing how the collision boxes look like.

[Acey]

That's exactly the type of test's I'm doing, and playing with the overlapped collision boxes to see what differences can be made. It's kinds fun actually but hasn't been too productive yet. Hopefuly by the end of this I'll have learned all I need to know about these boxes

[Sgt Hartsock]

I have no idea how or why people are getting the debug nonsense...mine works just fine...they could just have some setting gone awry in the engine that turns ON the debug, if anything else

I have no problems on my end. Hell, the SNK explosions are downright cool. I'd never seen em before and it's refreshing if anything

[Tenspeed]

I was under the impression that with debug mode on, the screen was supposed to be totally clear, and any sort of debug info at all was a problem. that even though characters with debug info are palyable, it woudl eventualyl cause some sort of problem.

[Acey]

Although my characters for the most part don't cause any debug errors, many of theaw debug messages are informational rather than real problems. Like stated elsewhere, especially those about equations, math and integers are informational.

[Tenspeed]

i see.

[random]

both of them are good releases keep up the good work

[cybaster]

Concerning Brooklin Bridge :

- Very slight assymetry in the stage, since boundleft = -260 and boundright = 267. It gives a very small advantage to P2, but well, that's mostly unnoticeable.
- You should set debugbg to 0 once you finish a stage, to avoid using the computer's ressources.

Same goes for X-Lab.

[dante244]

Can you fix that? that is very powerful ja

[Acey]

Can you fix that? that is very powerful ja

Yup, that will be fixed for the next release. 

[O Ilusionista]

many of theaw debug messages are informational rather than real problems. Like stated elsewhere, especially those about equations, math and integers are informational.

Sorry, but its not true. If debug alerts something, that thing is wrong. Mugen won't alert what is right. Its not a "debug nonsense".

Think in performance: It could be a very little bit, but everytime that Mugen had to alert anything, he uses more memory that he needed to.

Take a look that this:

negative guard.p2slidetime, negative guard.p2ctrltime, ground.p2slidetime, airguard.p2ctrltime

NEGATIVE slidetime? For what? Its the same to say "you will slide for -2 seconds...".

So its not a "debug nonsense". Specially if its floods the screen

[O Ilusionista]

I got the char now, here are my thoughts:

1- the air launches floods the debug screen because you're using a code on explod that uses a float number, not integer. This will flood the debug for sure.

To fix that, change the "Pos" value of both explods on state 220 for pos = floor(p2bodydist x),-60. Floor will round the result for the lowest integer value.

2- Run - Isn't that flame...TOO BIG? Try to scale it to 0.5

3 - Pumpkin bomb - I usally don't care about mixing sparks from various games, but that sparks is really weird. You could change it to the same of Mech Gouki's Flying fist explosion.

4 - flying attacks - I do agree: with he falls down? Change the pyshics to N and change the changestate.

5 - the wire attacks - the same about FLOOR issue... But could you explain what this means?

pos = p2dist x - -10,p2dist y - 5

ps2distx minus minus 10? minus x minus equal to plus, so its better to put floor(p2distx)-10

But avoid to use "p2..." triggers. They won't work if you hit the p4.

6 - The laser - I need to be true: its very bad. Its too fast, and it doesn't have any appeal.

[pmc1416]

needa put in the hobgoblin