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Offline Laxxe23

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People warehousing (uploading without concent), so it seems that warehousing is worse than leechers thought, well then again warehousing is causing people to stop due to people not respecting them, i mean why should we keep making stuff if no one will respect us, and why should dattebayo keep making stuff if no one is disrespecting them. hmmmm seems these problems are very similar
http://dattebayo.com/pr/58
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DB Halting Fansubbing Production Indefinitely, Effective Immediately
2007/12/27

Dear leechers,

We have warned everyone repeatedly on the issue of streaming our subs.

We sincerely appreciate everyone's efforts to spread the Naruto/Bleach love, but were growing increasingly frustrated, not to mention worried, over our repeatedly ignored requests not to upload our material to Veoh, Youtube and other streaming sites.

Perhaps you guys aren't aware, but the flagrant disregard for our requests puts us in an increasingly vulnerable position as a fansubbing group. We don't want to be shut down (which is something we are in constant threat of) and if our rules are not honored, we may well be.

Therefore we once again make this request:

Please do NOT upload any of our released episodes to streaming sites.
Since it's hard to get people to comply just by writing in these news, we need to get your attention. So effective immediately, we are forced to stop releasing our subtitled episodes for ALL our current projects until the request is met, full stop. This includes Naruto, Bleach, Pitagora Switch and Pokemon.

We regret that we have to take such a drastic stance, but our requests have gone ignored for years. There's not much more we can do to protect ourselves and to continue bringing these episodes to fans, but we believe that taking these precautions now will keep us operational for the long run. And we hope to keep bringing these episodes to English-speaking fans for a long time. Please help us by abiding by our rules.

Here’s the issue: Dattebayo translates and subtitles anime, and released the episodes for public download on our website. Lots of well-meaning fans then take these Dattebayo episodes, re-encode / cut them into parts and upload them onto streaming sites like Youtube or Veoh. THIS IS BAD. The reason is not because Dattebayo is stupid or annoying or mean.

It's disrespectful to the subbers’ wishes, but more importantly,
Fansubbing is not legal, and with the popularity of Naruto/Bleach growing, legitimate companies have licensed them for DVD releases outside of Japan.
That makes fansubbers a target - although Dattebayo makes no money, legally the companies have all the right to shut us down. Because Dattebayo is a prominent fansubbing group, it's at constant risk and legal threat. When you put videos on Veoh/Youtube, that exposes the group and makes it a big target.

To this end, Dattebayo has politely and repeatedly asked uploaders on many streaming sites to STOP UPLOADING our files. Many people assume that the uploaders have Dattebayo's permission, but that's not true. The uploaders have basically ignored all polite requests to stop. With recent changes to Youtube "copyright enforcement" policy, it's nearly impossible to get Dattebayo material removed once it's been uploaded, therefore leaving our work in horrible quality for everyone to view.

Which is why Dattebayo has decided that we will put a hold on all our subtitled episode releases until the uploaders comply. We've been way too nice so far by letting this issue slide, but this is the end. Here's our (repeated) request to everyone who butchers our work by uploading it to streaming sites. STOP. If you're an uploader, please DO NOT UPLOAD DATTEBAYO SUBS to any more streaming sites. If you're guilty of doing this in the past, and your streaming site account is still valid, GO AND DELETE ALL THE DATTEBAYO VIDEOS WHICH BELONG TO YOUR ACCOUNT. We NEVER gave ANYONE permission to upload our work to ANY STREAMING SITE. If you're not an uploader and want to help, flag our work you find on streaming sites as copyright infringement, send private message to uploader asking to remove content, etc. This is probably futile due to immense amount of idiots who are unable to read yet are able to figure out how to click "upload" button, but it doesn't hurt to try.

It might be annoying to have to figure out how to watch anime without Youtube or Veoh, but trust me, it's really not that hard. And some fans complain, "I don't know how to do it! It’s too hard! I need Veoh!" Well, if we fansubbers can figure out how to download Naruto, translate it, time it, edit it, encode it, release it - surely you can learn how to watch it. Or you can always (and should) buy the DVDs when they're released officially.

Dattebayo is providing a SERVICE - a free, fast, reliable service. Fansubbers would like to keep providing the service, so we hope everyone can understand why this decision has been made. Dattebayo's wish is NOT to shut down anime-sharing - it’s to keep it alive for the long run. Please help by considering the bigger picture.

Without streaming sites, anime-watching may become less convenient, that is unfortunately true. But it's better than shutting down fansubbing entirely - because then you'll have no anime at all.

Dattebayo Fansubs, LLC. Taking internet seriously for the last 3.22 years

P.S. This is NOT a troll. Also, NO ACCOUNT on Youtube is operated, given permission to upload, or approved by us. So stop asking.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2008, 12:05:35 PM by Zeckle »



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In before YHBT.

They've done this before.

It's nothing new/surprising. Even if they do stop (very unlikely), there's other groups.

Also, they're not having a similar issue to what creators have, it's not even close considering they get paid to sub, as opposed to creators doing it for free. And other significant issues as well.

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Actually, a lot(and by that I mean most) of fansubbers do not get paid for their services-- this is especially true given that they are making copywrited material available for download. SSome accept donations to keep going, but they are wary of accepting payment because it could get them in trouble with said companies who produce these shows (and this is particuraly true with shows like Naruto and Bleach, which have been licensed in places like the US for trasnlation into the English languague.)

I assume many online communities (not just Mugen) have their own internal sets of rules, and problems can arise when those rules are broken. They have their own issues that arise and sometimes there is a little bit of drama that can can come from them. 

Now, there are certain Fansubbers that take advantage of places like Veoh-- one I can think of is Ryu-Rouge, the group subbing Legendz. One of their translators puts the episodes of Legendz on Veoh with the group's consent. So, in that case they don't mind online streaming. However, it's worth noting that Legendz has not been licensed for an English translation, unlike Naruto and Bleach.


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it's a joke. i've been downloading their Naruto subs for over a year now, and they always post stuff like that on the weeks with no Naruto releases to fool noobs.  :(|)

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Why is this in mugen discussion?

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Because it's related to warehousing

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Because it's related to warehousing
Even though it's not related to warehousing in no way, shape, or form.

Offline Laxxe23

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...reread my post and the topic title

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uploading without permission.

thats what he meant.

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i still fail to see any similarity unless you're calling people who are against warehouses a big joke, which i doubt you are.  /:O

but did you also know that Bardock was originally featured in only a single page of the DBZ magna?

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bardock meme probably wont work here as well

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uploading without permission.
In other words, you're talking about a very simple business ploy.

They say "don't upload!" and people upload, which gets their name more known and thus more hits/requests to subtitle other animes. Hence why it's not the same, because they're essentially telling people to upload it out of spite, without them realizing it causes DB to become more popular/famous.

It's not even close to being related to Mugen, since people seem to have a problem with becoming famous, hence my comment(s).

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Yeah, I agree this isn't really "warehousing". Knowing it's a joke, this is more like warehousing warehoused stuff.

But this *is* Laxxe we're talking about...
Punctuation and capitalization can make the difference between "I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse," and, "I helped my uncle jack off a horse."

92% of people have moved onto rap. If you're part of the 8% who thinks rap isn't music, sucks to be you.

Most newer stuff sucks, though.

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guys look at the dattebayo news again, its been updated

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